(4 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(Yesterday at 10:14 pm)Jal Wrote: But part of that disgust probably stems from the idiocy of traditional bible scholars who essentially depict Yahweh as a jerk.

When I first realized Jesus was God, I hated Him.  He was indeed a jerk, in my view. This went on for two years at which point I began to suspect that traditional theology might be wrong.  I soon began to postulate panpsychism (didn't know that term back then).  After that, I never looked back.

It's tragic that you think it's a problem with some bible scholar somewhere.  No, the issues all lie with the source material and fruits like yourself.

(3 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: What wouldn't?

(3 hours ago)Jal Wrote:

(3 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: What wouldn't?

Sound reasoning. 

Here you will complain about being impervious to reason. Which is a misunderstanding. For most of us, not being prophets, the Inward Witness only tells us  a few general things, such as:
(1) Jesus is Lord and died for our sins
(2) The Bible is true.


This generality leaves PLENTY of room for discussion/ reasoning on specific topics, for example creation vs evolution.

(3 hours ago)Jal Wrote:

(3 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: What wouldn't?

Sound reasoning. 

Here you will complain about being impervious to reason. Which is a misunderstanding. For most of us, not being prophets, the Inward Witness only tells us  a few general things, such as:
(1) Jesus is Lord and died for our sins
(2) The Bible is true.


This generality leaves PLENTY of room for discussion/ reasoning on specific topics, for example creation vs evolution.

(1 hour ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(3 hours ago)Jal Wrote: Sound reasoning. 

Here you will complain about being impervious to reason. Which is a misunderstanding. For most of us, not being prophets, the Inward Witness only tells us  a few general things, such as:
(1) Jesus is Lord and died for our sins
(2) The Bible is true.


This generality leaves PLENTY of room for discussion/ reasoning on specific topics, for example creation vs evolution.

The subject of what the voices in your head tell you bores me to tears.  Particularly when it comes to how the other guy got strung up so daddy wouldn't punish you for shaking your pecker too many times after a piss.  

There is no "creation vs evolution".  If your silly god "created" the world evolution is how it did it.  Seeing as how you have no trouble rejecting traditional christian beliefs and understandings why this vexes you so much is an absolute mystery.

(4 hours ago)Jal Wrote:

(7 hours ago)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have a hard time hating imaginary beings, but that's just me.

Boru

Believe me, I get it.  My Dad became a born-again Christian when I was in high school. One day I asked him to drive me to school. In the car, he listened to some preacher on Christian radio. I was so disgusted that I could have killed for a pair of ear plugs.

Four years later, in college, it happened to me. I met the Lord. Seeing is believing. 

Somebody once insinuated that it might just be "my feelings."  This fails to distinguish sensations from random emotions. If someone punches you in the back (you never saw him), you can't dismiss it as, "Maybe was just my emotions." 

Or let's suppose you KNOW yourself to be delusional, but nonetheless you decide to drive a vehicle.  You see a couple of pedestrians up ahead. You're thinking, "Probably just a delusion." Is it okay to run them over? Chalk it up to a hallucination? No. Generally the rational thing to do, when confronted with sensations, is to respect them. This is especially true when your conscience is demanding it.