(56 minutes ago)Jal Wrote: You have the option to disbelieve in Yahweh's existence. I do not.

And that's why you sound like a lunatic.

Quote:You do have common sense, right?

Yup. Right now, my common sense is telling me that a Bronze Age Canaanite deity who was overly fond of child sacrifice isn't the reason that magnets stick to my fridge.

Quote:Then you will understand that the only way for Yahweh to reliably reveal Himself is by an invincible revelation, i.e. one that is irresistibly persuasive. That's the only way it could feasibly work, right? For the last 500 years, evangelicals refer to this experience as the Inward Witness of the Holy Spirit.

Magic! For when you look like a nutjob but need credibility.

Quote:Now proceed with your anticipated mis-extrapolations of what I just said, like virtually everyone else around here seems to do.

When you have the same problem with everybody else, they aren't the problem. I'm guessing this isn't the first forum where you've been called insane, is it? Take the hint and do a little self-examination.

(54 minutes ago)Jal Wrote:

(58 minutes ago)Paleophyte Wrote: So... the opposite of tangible. In fact, has never been tanged and is actively avoiding it. 

But he definitely has dangly bits.  God's intangible balls that's stoopid.

Misextrapolation. Do you have any common sense?

Yup. It's telling me that there's nothing sensible about you or your god.

(44 minutes ago)Paleophyte Wrote:

(56 minutes ago)Jal Wrote: You have the option to disbelieve in Yahweh's existence. I do not.

And that's why you sound like a lunatic.

Quote:You do have common sense, right?

Yup. Right now, my common sense is telling me that a Bronze Age Canaanite deity who was overly fond of child sacrifice isn't the reason that magnets stick to my fridge.

Quote:Then you will understand that the only way for Yahweh to reliably reveal Himself is by an invincible revelation, i.e. one that is irresistibly persuasive. That's the only way it could feasibly work, right? For the last 500 years, evangelicals refer to this experience as the Inward Witness of the Holy Spirit.

Magic! For when you look like a nutjob but need credibility.

Quote:Now proceed with your anticipated mis-extrapolations of what I just said, like virtually everyone else around here seems to do.

When you have the same problem with everybody else, they aren't the problem. I'm guessing this isn't the first forum where you've been called insane, is it? Take the hint and do a little self-examination.

Random potshots and moving target. Nothing much worth addressing here. Maybe 1 thing.

You alleged magic of the Inward Witness. Nope it's all physical, and the biblical data seems reasonably clear on that point.

For example, He reaches into the human brain and steers its electrochemical flow of thoughts toward belief in Him.

He also utilizes physical sensations, as I discussed earlier, to foster belief in His existence and Presence.

There is nothing magical about it.

I personally don't subscribe to magical dynamics like the idea of intangible gravity moving matter.

You think that a Bronze Age Canaanite deity controls your thoughts and feelings, but somehow that isn't magic? Yet gravity is intangible? Your common sense got dropped at birth, didn't it?

If God controls our brains, then he's doing a piss-poor job with me.

(21 minutes ago)Paleophyte Wrote: You think that a Bronze Age Canaanite deity controls your thoughts and feelings, but somehow that isn't magic? Yet gravity is intangible? Your common sense got dropped at birth, didn't it?

If God controls our brains, then he's doing a piss-poor job with me.

You can't even seem to tell the difference between partial influence versus full control. No Christian is saying that God FULLY controls ALL our thoughts, like robots. 

Why is cerebral influence so difficult for you to understand that you palm it off to magic? Suppose I want you to know what I am thinking. Do I need magic to influence your brain? No, I just blow air at you (i.e. I speak to you). Then you will know exactly what I am thinking. 

A tangible God influences a tangible brain. Is that really so difficult to compute?

I bowed out after the adam and eve ramblings. No regrets

(21 minutes ago)Paleophyte Wrote: You think that a Bronze Age Canaanite deity controls your thoughts and feelings, but somehow that isn't magic? Yet gravity is intangible? Your common sense got dropped at birth, didn't it?

If God controls our brains, then he's doing a piss-poor job with me.

You tell me. Is it tangible? I tried to show that "tangible" is bound up the very definition of matter. Are you saying that gravity is tangible matter?

If it's  not tangible, then it is intangible,  and therefore will not move matter. Period.

That's not what he said, for the record