(September 18, 2026 at 2:16 am)Jal Wrote:

(September 17, 2026 at 8:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and for 2k years (not really, christianity was dumb as a box of rocks until about the 1200's..but whatever) they never decided that panpsychism was the explanation..even though the idea predated christianity by 400 years or more.  The only times the subject matter came up were when it's component bits and advocates were declared heretical for cause.  

Now you're over here babbling about how panpsychism tells us that 1+1+1=1...but it doesn't, and we already know you reject absurd math in any other form.  You don't give a shit about panpsychism.  You don't believe a bit of it, you don't even understand what it is.  What you are, is willing to believe anything you think can rescue your trinity and your creationism from the problems you yourself appear to see....though I'm willing to bet they aren't even problems..just more of your invincibly witnessed hallucinations.  For example..that trinity bit?  It's a fucking miracle and that's the point.  God is a miracle man, that's how you know he's god.  Possibility maker, not possibility taker.  If god says 1+1+1=1...then it does.  That you find this hard to believe..in a god breathed world...is a you problem, not a god problem.

Horribly stupid post. You insinuate that I'm just hallucinating the notion of Christian insolubles?  You're lying. Or you just plain forgot that I've clearly identified several of them on this thread. Here's just one of them, to refresh your memory:
(1). God is  immutable.
(2). God became man. 
Huh? Please admit you see the Incarnation as a problem in Christology?
Ok, you won't take my word for it? Maybe you'll believe Norm Geisler?

Geisler frankly admitted that the finite human mind must embrace logical contradictions to accept the (traditional version of) the Incarnation, known as the Hypostatic Union of two natures human and divine. His "solution" was to assume that God's infinite mind somehow resolves these contradictions in ways beyond our finite understanding. Therefore Norm wrote:

“The fact that one cannot explain how the two natures unite in one person without contradiction has nothing to do with the obvious fact that what happens when they do [unite] is clearly not a contradiction” (Norman L. Geisler, “Avoid… Contradictions” (1 Timothy 6:20):  A Reply To John Dahms,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, Vol 22:1 (1979), p. 62).

He's clearly stating that any human who postulates an explanation of the Incarnation must embrace contradiction. 

No such contradiction arises in my panpsychism - the Incarnation is a cinch to explain, it's literally a joke. I don't think it requires even a high school education.

Still not convinced? John Dahms agreed with Norm Geisler on the need to embrace contradictions.  Even more concerning is that Paull Tillich threw in the towel altogether - he abandoned the whole Incarnation as traditionally defined, and his alternative solution is just the Nestorian heresy reformulated. 

The conversation between John Dahms and Norm Geisler apparently began in 1978 when John Dahms spoke approvingly of Paul Tillich's disparagement of the  Hypostatic Union as a set of "inescapable contradictions and absurdities” (John v Dahms, "How Reliable Is Logic?," Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, Vol 21:4 (1978), p. 373).

That's what prompted Norm Geisler to respond that the finite human mind must embrace contradictions. 

In one article, John Dahms noted, "Many conservatives have turned liberal or neo-orthodox simply because they became convinced that some of the important doctrines of orthodoxy involve logical contradictions” (John v Dahms, "A Trinitarian Epistemology Defended: A Rejoinder To Norman Geisler," Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, Vol 22:2 (1979).   Dahms included the Trinity as one of the examples where contradictions must be embraced.

(September 18, 2026 at 2:16 am)Jal Wrote: panpsychism - the Incarnation is a cinch to explain, it's literally a joke. I don't think it requires even a high school education.

(September 18, 2026 at 2:16 am)Jal Wrote: panpsychism - the Incarnation is a cinch to explain, it's literally a joke. I don't think it requires even a high school education.

(September 18, 2026 at 8:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don’t tend to insinuate things.  I say them outright.  Like I said outright that I believe that the things you’re likely to think are problems are more likely artifacts of your own ignorance or lack of faith rather than actual problems.

(September 18, 2026 at 9:59 am)Jal Wrote: Oden's work is a summary of HISTORIC CONSENSUS.

(September 18, 2026 at 9:52 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Panpsychism applied to trinitarian belief leaves you with polytheism or modalism.  An effect of the combination problem in theory of mind.

(September 18, 2026 at 10:14 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Still gibberish in a panpsychic world Jal.  If gibberish is a problem for your superstitious beliefs…I’ve got some bad news for you….