You should like him, he's a fellow Muslim!

(January 26, 2012 at 7:03 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You should like him, he's a fellow Muslim!

Yes, like the millions of arabs and tajiks here. None are my fellows, least of which who live on the other side of the world.

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But to be honest, many people in Turkey used to think that he was indeed a muslim, while it's common knowledge that he's not.
It's just that name of his...Really, he even went to Egypt and appeared to be friendly to the moslems worldwide.
I personally think that no politician has ever been sincere, and Obama is no exception to it.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: who live on the other side of the world.

Haha, yeah, people who live on the other side of the world are below consideration. Fuck being human. You must be of optimal nationality.

Anyway, Obama ain't Muslim.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:19 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: who live on the other side of the world.

Haha, yeah, people who live on the other side of the world are below consideration. Fuck being human. You must be of optimal nationality.

Anyway, Obama ain't Muslim.

He said that he is my "fellow" on the basis of being a moslem.
I said that I do not consider the moslems here on our doorsteps to be my fellows, let alone to consider some guy in America who has a moslem name as my fellow.
Anyways, please stop distorting my words.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:22 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: He said that he is my "fellow" on the basis of being a moslem.
I said that I do not consider the moslems here on our doorsteps to be my fellows, let alone to consider some guy in America who has a moslem name as my fellow.
Anyways, please stop distorting my words.

Oh, lighten up. At any rate, he isn't Muslim. That wasn't directed at you. Obama has a Muslim name because his father was formerly a Muslim. Both of his parents were atheists for the bulk of Obama's life.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:34 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 8:22 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: He said that he is my "fellow" on the basis of being a moslem.
I said that I do not consider the moslems here on our doorsteps to be my fellows, let alone to consider some guy in America who has a moslem name as my fellow.
Anyways, please stop distorting my words.

Oh, lighten up. At any rate, he isn't Muslim. That wasn't directed at you. Obama has a Muslim name because his father was formerly a Muslim. Both of his parents were atheists for the bulk of Obama's life.

I know that already.
In any way, his name did garner him some fame in the moslem world even before he was elected.
I've heard that some peasants in Erzurum slaughtered some sheep in his honour when they learned that he got elected, something that people don't do for everyone.
In short, people really did expect much from him, however, what did they really get?

Quote: however, what did they really get?

A U.S. President. That is all anyone should have expected. To expect more is just silly.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:40 pm)Shell B Wrote:

Quote: however, what did they really get?

A U.S. President. That is all anyone should have expected. To expect more is just silly.

But I think some people did. I won't lie, I did too.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:41 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But I think some people did. I won't lie, I did too.

That's too bad. However, it suggests ignorance of American politics more than it suggests that the man has done a bad job in any way. It's easy to get caught up in the "leadership" aspect of his role when you are used to "dictatorship" or is the norm around you. Here, some, certainly not all, of us know that being a U.S. President does not mean that everything goes your way. In fact, this man has had to butt heads with the rest of our government on numerous occasions. He can't just will a better world into existence, but I genuinely believe he hopes for one and will do his best while in office.

(January 26, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 8:41 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But I think some people did. I won't lie, I did too.

That's too bad. However, it suggests ignorance of American politics more than it suggests that the man has done a bad job in any way. It's easy to get caught up in the "leadership" aspect of his role when you are used to "dictatorship" or is the norm around you. Here, some, certainly not all, of us know that being a U.S. President does not mean that everything goes your way. In fact, this man has had to butt heads with the rest of our government on numerous occasions. He can't just will a better world into existence, but I genuinely believe he hopes for one and will do his best while in office.

Well said and I completely agree. The US government is almost inert. The division of powers was supposed to support stability. It has done that in spades. Between the structural aspects which work against change in this country there is also the mindset of so many who regard politics as a sporting event. They care much more about how successful the two parties appear to be than they do about how the country and its people do. We are so screwed.