If you're not an atheist, why do you give a fuck? Feel like wasting some atheist time, displaying your mental prowess? Please, these is a fucking farce. If you want to be a deep thinker, try thinking deeply. You can start by figuring out what hypocrite means, as you seem to have failed to grasp that little snag in your ludicrous argument. A hypocrite is a person who behaves in such as way that displays hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is stating, or behaving as if, you have beliefs that you do not actually hold. Spending money that says, "In god we trust" does not negate a belief or a lack of belief. Therefore, it cannot possibly be hypocritical.

You want it to be hypocritical. You're just another fucktard with an agenda. Unfortunately, fucktards with agendas rarely think things through. Go search for your religious views and stop polluting this forum with your loaded questions and half-assed explanations. That's my two cents.

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By the way, quote vortexes, FTW. Read the god damn rules sections, people. It's like a bowl of alphabet soup in here.

(January 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Chuck Wrote: An America citizen is one who is qualified to holds an American passport. If you are an real atheist, and you are thus qualified, then you can be a real citizen and a real atheist.

I lost my first answer to you, so here we go again....

I'm trying to find a way to remove G-O-D from my everyday life, and the IN GOD WE TRUST makes me hesitate joining atheists. It's just my inner conviction, and I don't feel good about it.
Just like I said before.....the beauty(or hard to fight against) of the text written in dollars circumnavigate the first amendments.....for the hidden agenda was.....whosoever(American citizen) hold and use the dollar automatically adhered to the text therein...IN GOD WE TRUST

So because RELIGIOUS PEOPLE put in god we trust on the money you dont want to "join" ATHEISTS because they cant do anything about it? completetly stupid argument that's a non sequitur but fine, we dont want moronic fanatics in our group who ignore counter-points. And stop pretending like you dont have a religious agenda here. If you want change, start a revolution or kindly shut up about it because nobody here is going to stop using currency in America.

And, once again, as I have already stated. You don't 'join' atheists. It's not a club. And becoming one has nothing to do with your moral scruples or ridiculous hangups.

Do you believe in God? If no, you are an atheist. That is it. You can't base the decision on whether or not to be an atheist on whether you're comfortable using money with God written on it or not. It makes no sense.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:07 pm)Shell B Wrote: If you're not an atheist, why do you give a fuck? Feel like wasting some atheist time, displaying your mental prowess? Please, these is a fucking farce. If you want to be a deep thinker, try thinking deeply. You can start by figuring out what hypocrite means, as you seem to have failed to grasp that little snag in your ludicrous argument. A hypocrite is a person who behaves in such as way that displays hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is stating, or behaving as if, you have beliefs that you do not actually hold. Spending money that says, "In god we trust" does not negate a belief or a lack of belief. Therefore, it cannot possibly be hypocritical.

You want it to be hypocritical. You're just another fucktard with an agenda. Unfortunately, fucktards with agendas rarely think things through. Go search for your religious views and stop polluting this forum with your loaded questions and half-assed explanations. That's my two cents.

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By the way, quote vortexes, FTW. Read the god damn rules sections, people. It's like a bowl of alphabet soup in here.

I' m a free deep,deep thinker, that's why I came here to see how deep can everybody dive.
That dollar text don't go well hand in hand with atheists beliefs because it has religious origin.
Just like in Saudi Arabia, all foreign & local women "must cover their heads" a religious rules and government law.Do you think you can visit that country without following religious law?

The "dollar" holds the same invisible religious law attached to it.

You have to think a little deeper,that's all.
And you are not helping me or anybody that's looking for alternative beliefs, you know from Christianities tentacles.

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(January 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm)ElDinero Wrote: And, once again, as I have already stated. You don't 'join' atheists. It's not a club. And becoming one has nothing to do with your moral scruples or ridiculous hangups.

Do you believe in God? If no, you are an atheist. That is it. You can't base the decision on whether or not to be an atheist on whether you're comfortable using money with God written on it or not. It makes no sense.

I don't beleieve in a supernatural god, but I am a student of Sumerian texts and follower of Secharia Sitchin's interpretations of Sumerian texts.Enki,the serpent in garden, the creator of homo sapiens by genetic engineering,(the alien gods from Niburu) Old testemant stories plagiarized from the Sumerian texts........so if you all still believed I have a religious agenda, then so be it.

I'm not comfortable to be an atheist yet with knowledge learned from religious teachings......that the natural things has connections to spiritual things always....curses and blessings examples.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm)walknh2o Wrote: I' m a free deep,deep thinker, that's why I came here to see how deep can everybody dive.

Free . . . maybe. Sweetheart, I'm six feet tall. If I dive into water that shallow, I'll regret it.

Quote:That dollar text don't go well hand in hand with atheists beliefs because it has religious origin.

Doesn't or does not. You are partly right. It does not go hand in hand with atheism. I bet you got that "beliefs" part from your pastor. Whether it goes hand in hand is irrelevant to your argument. It would by hypocritical if I told other people to believe in god. That is the only way an atheist can be hypocritical as it pertains to atheism.

Quote:Just like in Saudi Arabia, all foreign & local women "must cover their heads" a religious rules and government law.Do you think you can visit that country without following religious law?

Candy . . . dynamite. You see what you just did? Try linear thinking. Burkas have naught to do with paper currency. If you mean, would I wear a burka where it is law? Yes, I would. I wouldn't go to another country and break the fucking law. It is not hypocritical to wear the burka, as it does not change my beliefs.

Quote:The "dollar" holds the same invisible religious law attached to it.

Really, there is religious law on the dollar bill? Oh, wait. No, there is not. You are no Houdini, pal. This might sound good to your Christian friends, but it sounds like a load of horse shit to anyone with a functioning mind.

Quote:You have to think a little deeper,that's all.

Yeah, when you evolve your way out of the shallow end, you might be able to pull that statement off.

Quote:And you are not helping me or anybody that's looking for alternative beliefs, you know from Christianities tentacles.

Why the fuck should I care? I don't have beliefs that pertain to god. Why would I try to help you with yours? If you want a conversion, go to a preacher.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:47 pm)Hitchslap Wrote: So because RELIGIOUS PEOPLE put in god we trust on the money you dont want to "join" ATHEISTS because they cant do anything about it? completetly stupid argument that's a non sequitur but fine, we dont want moronic fanatics in our group who ignore counter-points. And stop pretending like you dont have a religious agenda here. If you want change, start a revolution or kindly shut up about it because nobody here is going to stop using currency in America.

I am "ENKI believer,he created ADAMU through genetic engineering ,he was the serpent in the garden of eden....almost all old testament stories derived from the Sumerian texts, from creation stories to Noah's flood.I believe in "alien gods ,extraterrestial beings from another planet.

Sorry that you think wrong of me.

(January 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm)walknh2o Wrote: History lesson:

President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto "In God We Trust." The following year, Public Law 851 was enacted and signed, which officially replaced the national motto "E Pluribus Unum" with "In God We Trust" All of this occurred at the height of cold war tension, when political divisions between the Soviet and western block was simplistically portrayed as a confrontation between Judeo-Christian civilization and the "godless" menace of communism. Indeed, the new national motto was only part of a broader effort to effectively religionize civic ritual and symbols. On June 14, 1954, Congress unanimously ordered the inclusion of the words "Under God" into the nation's Pledge of Allegiance. By this time, other laws mandating public religiosity had also been enacted, including a statute for all federal justices and judges to swear an oath concluding with "So help me God."

Is it a futile form of protest? A symptom of frustration? Some Atheists and separationists are crossing out the national motto on paper money. Whatever your opinion, the history of how "In God We Trust" ended up on currency shows that the motto is religious, not secular, in its origin and function today.

Which is clearly violation of USA's Segregation of Church and State:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." - The First Amendment of USA's Constitution.

"in God we Trust" is, indeed, a religious motto. But nevertheless, the such motto does not change the position of Atheism. In fact, I have my own King James version bible in my shelves and I'm still atheist.

You're cooking the straw men fallacy too much, man. It's all burnt now.

(January 30, 2012 at 8:23 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm)walknh2o Wrote: I' m a free deep,deep thinker, that's why I came here to see how deep can everybody dive.

Free . . . maybe. Sweetheart, I'm six feet tall. If I dive into water that shallow, I'll regret it.

Quote:That dollar text don't go well hand in hand with atheists beliefs because it has religious origin.

Doesn't or does not. You are partly right. It does not go hand in hand with atheism. I bet you got that "beliefs" part from your pastor. Whether it goes hand in hand is irrelevant to your argument. It would by hypocritical if I told other people to believe in god. That is the only way an atheist can be hypocritical as it pertains to atheism.

Quote:Just like in Saudi Arabia, all foreign & local women "must cover their heads" a religious rules and government law.Do you think you can visit that country without following religious law?

Candy . . . dynamite. You see what you just did? Try linear thinking. Burkas have naught to do with paper currency. If you mean, would I wear a burka where it is law? Yes, I would. I wouldn't go to another country and break the fucking law. It is not hypocritical to wear the burka, as it does not change my beliefs.

Quote:The "dollar" holds the same invisible religious law attached to it.

Really, there is religious law on the dollar bill? Oh, wait. No, there is not. You are no Houdini, pal. This might sound good to your Christian friends, but it sounds like a load of horse shit to anyone with a functioning mind.

Quote:You have to think a little deeper,that's all.

Yeah, when you evolve your way out of the shallow end, you might be able to pull that statement off.

Quote:And you are not helping me or anybody that's looking for alternative beliefs, you know from Christianities tentacles.

Why the fuck should I care? I don't have beliefs that pertain to god. Why would I try to help you with yours? If you want a conversion, go to a preacher.

All your answers missed the target dear........I'm ENKI believer, follower of Secharia Sitchins interpretations of the Sumerian texts, we believed in "alien gods,the extraterrestial kinds, from planet Niburu."

You missed a mile from the bulls eye dear!

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(January 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm)Blam! Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm)walknh2o Wrote: History lesson:

President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto "In God We Trust." The following year, Public Law 851 was enacted and signed, which officially replaced the national motto "E Pluribus Unum" with "In God We Trust" All of this occurred at the height of cold war tension, when political divisions between the Soviet and western block was simplistically portrayed as a confrontation between Judeo-Christian civilization and the "godless" menace of communism. Indeed, the new national motto was only part of a broader effort to effectively religionize civic ritual and symbols. On June 14, 1954, Congress unanimously ordered the inclusion of the words "Under God" into the nation's Pledge of Allegiance. By this time, other laws mandating public religiosity had also been enacted, including a statute for all federal justices and judges to swear an oath concluding with "So help me God."

Is it a futile form of protest? A symptom of frustration? Some Atheists and separationists are crossing out the national motto on paper money. Whatever your opinion, the history of how "In God We Trust" ended up on currency shows that the motto is religious, not secular, in its origin and function today.

Which is clearly violation of USA's Segregation of Church and State:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." - The First Amendment of USA's Constitution.

"in God we Trust" is, indeed, a religious motto. But nevertheless, the such motto does not change the position of Atheism. In fact, I have my own King James version bible in my shelves and I'm still atheist.

You're cooking the straw men fallacy too much, man. It's all burnt now.

So do I man....stilll can say aloud texts from Genesis to Revelation from King James stored in the closet.

P.S. but I have lots of Sitchin's books....from the 12th planet to the latest Homo sapien,sapien edition.

You didn't even counter a single one of my points! You can't just bust in all, "You don't get it!" That's fucking lazy.

By the way, Niburu? Come on . . .