(February 12, 2012 at 3:36 am)Koklanas Wrote: The concept of reward and punishment proves there is a supreme being called God. Human get something from God for being good. That reward appears in a mysterious way . long life, food health and what not.

A concept is a proof? Did you graduate from preschool yet?

punishment also comes in a very misterious manner, disease , accident, ...or any other kind of misfortunes. Those murderers dying of natural death like old age would not escape punishment since Supreme being is there to ensure justice is delivered in the next life.

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need to excuse my selection of word. english is not my spoken language. you may suggest any other suitable word

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(February 12, 2012 at 3:45 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 3:36 am)Koklanas Wrote: The concept of reward and punishment proves there is a supreme being called God. Human get something from God for being good. That reward appears in a mysterious way . long life, food health and what not.

A concept is a proof? Did you graduate from preschool yet?

concept may be not the right word. anyway any human being expects reward in one way or another when they do good.

(February 12, 2012 at 4:00 am)Koklanas Wrote: any human being expects reward in one way or another when they do good.

If someone only good for reward and avoids doing bad only because they fear punishment, they are amoral animals.

same thing human expect punishment when others harm them. If someone broke into your house, and you are clueless who did it. then thief escapes punishment from the authority and dies of old age. you think that is the end of the story . That is where the need for the supreme being to exist.

Your desire for ultimate justice is no reason to suspect that such a thing actually exists. It's simply your personal desire.

(February 12, 2012 at 4:17 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 4:00 am)Koklanas Wrote: any human being expects reward in one way or another when they do good.

If someone only good for reward and avoids doing bad only because they fear punishment, they are amoral animals.

Try killing your family then, I am sure you would not do it bcoz you fear punishment, either from the authority or from supreme being.

(February 12, 2012 at 5:48 am)Koklanas Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 4:17 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 4:00 am)Koklanas Wrote: any human being expects reward in one way or another when they do good.

If someone only good for reward and avoids doing bad only because they fear punishment, they are amoral animals.

Try killing your family then, I am sure you would not do it bcoz you fear punishment, either from the authority or from supreme being.

Is that the ONLY reason you can think of for not killing your family? How very sad

(February 12, 2012 at 5:48 am)Koklanas Wrote: Try killing your family then, I am sure you would not do it bcoz you fear punishment, either from the authority or from supreme being.

Guess you are just to stupid to understand what I wrote but thanks for showing us all you're nothing but an amoral animal along with the rest of the musloholic assholes that think like you.

(February 12, 2012 at 5:49 am)Darwinian Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:48 am)Koklanas Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 4:17 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 4:00 am)Koklanas Wrote: any human being expects reward in one way or another when they do good.

If someone only good for reward and avoids doing bad only because they fear punishment, they are amoral animals.

Try killing your family then, I am sure you would not do it bcoz you fear punishment, either from the authority or from supreme being.

Is that the ONLY reason you can think of for not killing your family? How very sad

just want to stress my point on the need for punishment for any bad deed, not talkng about any other aspect.

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(February 12, 2012 at 6:01 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:48 am)Koklanas Wrote: Try killing your family then, I am sure you would not do it bcoz you fear punishment, either from the authority or from supreme being.

Guess you are just to stupid to understand what I wrote but thanks for showing us all you're nothing but an amoral animal along with the rest of the musloholic assholes that think like you.

what did you mean then, i can forgive you for your harsh language.

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(February 12, 2012 at 5:47 am)Darwinian Wrote: Your desire for ultimate justice is no reason to suspect that such a thing actually exists. It's simply your personal desire.

you can put that to the test, imagine your loved one being killed by somone unknown to you, and the murderer escapes convction until his natural death at the age of 90. Are you hoping for a divine help to give you justice or just let it be until you youself die.? And are you at peace with your self ? Only believing in supreme being can make you at ease with yourself

(February 12, 2012 at 7:34 am)Koklanas Wrote: Only believing in supreme being can make you at ease with yourself

So can being drunk or doing drugs, how does that prove a god. You are still an amoral animal.