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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 9:06 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Just so long as whatever we discover doesn't contradict your tired fairy tales. What's this about believing? I thought you said you could demonstrate the veracity of your claims by means of scientific evidence? What belief is required?
Evidence?
Please. No one can prove 100% scientifically one way or the other. There is scientific evidence that supports intelligent design but you would deny it all. Also, all "evidence" for the big bang theory and evolution is based on conjecture, not facts. I admit many of my Beliefs are based on faith and you should be honest enough to do the same. Also, I am confident enough to believe any evidence found concerning the bible and creation will support it. Therefore I would not hold back any evidence that supposedly disproves my beliefs nor would any Christian scientist.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Nope, you get no soup. I don't believe anything, I require evidence. Besides, everything we know is complete bullshit.......
Evidence?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 9:54 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Nope, you get no soup. I don't believe anything, I require evidence. Besides, everything we know is complete bullshit.......
Evidence?
You're right. Everything we know about reality is false because we live in a matrix movie. Get real.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 9:59 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 9:06 pm)chipan Wrote: There is scientific evidence that supports intelligent design but you would deny it all. Also, all "evidence" for the big bang theory and evolution is based on conjecture, not facts. I admit many of my Beliefs are based on faith and you should be honest enough to do the same. Also, I am confident enough to believe any evidence found concerning the bible and creation will support it. Therefore I would not hold back any evidence that supposedly disproves my beliefs nor would any Christian scientist.
Can you enlighten us on those evidence Chipan?
BTW; faith != evidence
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:11 pm
"Also, I am confident enough to believe any evidence found concerning the bible and creation will support it." - Chipan
Back up a bit. When you say the bible and creation do you mean...The KJV canon and a dispensationalist Protestant interpretation thereof....and....young earth creationism asserting that GEN 1 is historically accurate in each particular. Because I really don't think you want to go there.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 10:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "Also, I am confident enough to believe any evidence found concerning the bible and creation will support it." - Chipan
Back up a bit. When you say the bible and creation do you mean...The KJV canon and a dispensationalist Protestant interpretation thereof....and....young earth creationism asserting that GEN 1 is historically accurate in each particular. Because I really don't think you want to go there.
I don't believe any particular version is 100% correct but the KJV is pretty accurate. The NASB I believe is the most accurate. But the best understanding is in the original Hebrew. But I believe the creation story is true and if you think you have evidence against it go ahead and come out with it.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm)chipan Wrote: I don't believe any particular version is 100% correct but the KJV is pretty accurate. The NASB I believe is the most accurate.
On what basis?
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:29 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (March 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm)chipan Wrote: I don't believe any particular version is 100% correct but the KJV is pretty accurate. The NASB I believe is the most accurate.
On what basis?
He wants it it be, what else?
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm
(March 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (March 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm)chipan Wrote: I don't believe any particular version is 100% correct but the KJV is pretty accurate. The NASB I believe is the most accurate.
On what basis?
Many translations are a translation of Hebrew to greek to Latin to english or something. NASB is direct. Though I cannot say for sure on this subject because I have not done the reasurch myself. It's not that important though because I cross referance different versions and sometimes look at the Hebrew when needed.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 4, 2012 at 10:49 pm
"But I believe the creation story is true and if you think you have evidence against it go ahead and come out with it." - Chipan
Okay. Let's return to Titus 12:1 "...All Cretans are liars." As I showed elsewhere this verse is a paradox. It cannot be literally true. Therefore Paul was making a joke to prove a point, i.e. he stated something that on its face is not true but points to a higher symbolic truth. If that is the case, then in at least one place the bible is not literally true, but only symbolic. Therefore it is possible to conclude that other passages, like GEN 1 can be pure allegory without needing to be historically accurate in each particular.
The argument from design will never convince anyone to embrace the Christian faith. Do you know a single person that gave themselves to Christ because they once believed in evolution and turned creationist. It doesn't happen. Use the gifts of the Holy Spirit in another way.
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