(March 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: You said "is known to be sane."

John Wayne Gacy was known to be sane, as was Dennis Rader. /story

I don't see relevance.

(March 7, 2012 at 12:51 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't see relevance.

Really? You can't see the relevance? Interesting.

If a totally fucknuts insane person can seem sane then anyone can. Besides, determining a person's status of prophet is a matter rife with opportunity for human error. There is absolutely no proof a prophet could give that would leave his status without a shadow of a doubt. There is also, of course, the fact that there is no such thing.

(March 7, 2012 at 1:01 am)Shell B Wrote:

(March 7, 2012 at 12:51 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't see relevance.

Really? You can't see the relevance? Interesting.

If a totally fucknuts insane person can seem sane then anyone can. Besides, determining a person's status of prophet is a matter rife with opportunity for human error. There is absolutely no proof a prophet could give that would leave his status without a shadow of a doubt. There is also, of course, the fact that there is no such thing.

Are you saying we can't know a person is sane?

(March 7, 2012 at 1:02 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Are you saying we can't know a person is sane?

Yes. To be more precise, I am saying that a person "being known" as sane has no bearing on their actual mental state. Many criminally insane people manage to put on a mask of sanity. You can make certain decisions based off a person's behavior. However, you cannot decide a person is a prophet based on perception of credibility.

(March 7, 2012 at 1:13 am)Shell B Wrote:

(March 7, 2012 at 1:02 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Are you saying we can't know a person is sane?

Yes. To be more precise, I am saying that a person "being known" as sane has no bearing on their actual mental state.

For what it's worth, "sane" is a legal term, not a medical one.

That being said, pathological mental disorders are not necessarily evident to observers. Some people are very good at concealing it.

@ MysticKnight, Jonah comes to mind as a prophet who had great character flaws yet God used him to give a message of prophesy.

Quote:You can't know everything about a person, they might have some bad hidden motives.

Indeed. Ask the fool if it has ever heard of pedophile priests (or Protestant clergy)

Quote:He also argued you can know people by their actions

Ask the fool if it has ever heard of the word 'hypocrite'.

Quote:he would believe he is telling the truth.

So what? Argument from incredulity.

Quote:Does anyone know of an example of a person whom was of high character and changed for the worse?

Apart from myself? No. The reason for such an apparently flippant response is that I am not a mind reader,so have no way of knowing.

My position is that people of high character often do a great deal of good without being found out.

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Allan Shore "Denny,aren't you afraid you will die without anyone ever really knowing you?

Denny Crane "Hell no! I want them to know MY version"

Me too.

In the case of sanity here, if he was truthful, then he would be schizophrenic. Can you know a person is not schizophrenic back then (there were no medications)?

What are you talking about? Schizophrenics are not the only people who have delusions .

(March 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm)Shell B Wrote: What are you talking about? Schizophrenics are not the only people who have delusions .

Constant hallucinations would mean schizophrenia. So in the case of a person claiming to see and hear an Angel, and telling the truth, he would be schizophrenic.

Also hearing a voice would mean schizophrenia.