(March 22, 2012 at 1:11 am)Niqabi Ninja Wrote: These are just some ideas but I dunno what you guys are thinking... so I just wanna know if there are any other ideas on how to AVOID shaking hands. lol.

You could just cut your hands off, I guarantee shaking hands will be a thing of the past.




You may need to learn a new typing technique though

(March 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm)Napoleon Wrote: The socially acceptable standard in this country is when you meet someone new you shake their hand. Regardless of sex. If it's not the standard in other countries (like the one this ninja supposedly comes from) then ofcourse it shouldn't be a problem either because you shouldn't be expected to shake hands.

It does become a realtime problem, however, when a man from a country where it is customary to not shake hands with women emigrates to a country where it is customary to shake hands regardless of sex, and that man still refuses to shake hands with women. Because he then actively insults those women, who – emancipated as they are – expect to be treated as equals to men.
Also the law is on their side! It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex in western countries.

If Muslims expect that westerners respect their Muslim customs and laws when they visit their Muslim countries why don't these same Muslims extend that same courtesy to westerners when they, those Muslims, go to LIVE in those western countries? As they do in their millions.

In western countries not shaking hands with women is not only illegal, it is downright rude and denigrating!

BTW, if Muslim men don't shake hands with women because touching might arouse them, which should be avoided, then what the hell are they doing shaking every other man's had for minutes on end, all day long, every day of the year...?
Isn't the logical conclusion that they must ALL be homosexual?

Quote:In western countries not shaking hands with women is not only illegal, it is downright rude and denigrating!

Illegal?
What the heck?
I've lived in Germany for three years, and never saw such a thing.

Quote: Because he then actively insults those women, who – emancipated as they are – expect to be treated as equals to men.

I didn't know that shaking hands is something of a gender equality problem.
I shake hands with females, but unless I know them well, I generally tend to nod for a simple greeting, nothing more.
How am I denigrating the women? Besides, it's not like they held out their hands, and I refused to shake it, I simply did not extend my own hand to them for a greeting.

Quote:If Muslims expect that westerners respect their Muslim customs and laws when they visit their Muslim countries why don't these same Muslims extend that same courtesy to westerners when they, those Muslims, go to LIVE in those western countries? As they do in their millions.

Of course, one has to respect the customs of the place one lives in.
I did that, and had minimal problems with the Germans I lived amongst.
Unlike my other countrymen who were BORN in the place, and were citizens, unlike me, an emigrant.

(March 22, 2012 at 5:41 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

Quote:If Muslims expect that westerners respect their Muslim customs and laws when they visit their Muslim countries why don't these same Muslims extend that same courtesy to westerners when they, those Muslims, go to LIVE in those western countries? As they do in their millions.

Of course, one has to respect the customs of the place one lives in.
I did that, and had minimal problems with the Germans I lived amongst.

You were not the only Muslim living in the west. Thousands of other Muslims do not respect the customs of the place they live in!

I'm pretty sure not shaking hands with someone isn't illegal.

(March 22, 2012 at 7:06 pm)Scarlet Pimpernel Wrote:

(March 22, 2012 at 5:41 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

Quote:If Muslims expect that westerners respect their Muslim customs and laws when they visit their Muslim countries why don't these same Muslims extend that same courtesy to westerners when they, those Muslims, go to LIVE in those western countries? As they do in their millions.

Of course, one has to respect the customs of the place one lives in.
I did that, and had minimal problems with the Germans I lived amongst.

You were not the only Muslim living in the west. Thousands of other Muslims do not respect the customs of the place they live in!

Obviously they don't, but I haven't really seen someone who went against it so hard, as to draw attention to themselves.
I knew some from the papers though, giving a bad name to us Turks thanks to their Turkish citizenship(despite not being an ethnic Turk), they were conducting honour killings and such, the four lettered folks, and then were paraded in the media as *Turks*.
Shameful that our state's laws give these assholes the status of a Turk....
Other than that, most Turks are quite integrated, but are also involved in crime.
I'm not taking responsibility for the doings of moslems of other ethnicities, like arabs, pakis or somalis.

(March 22, 2012 at 8:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: pakis

OMMMM!!!! Not allowed to say that word over here. Unless you're a paki yourself. Then you can say it all you want.

Just like the magical N word.

(March 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I'm pretty sure not shaking hands with someone isn't illegal.

It is discrimination on the basis of sex as stipulated in most western constitutions, and therefore illegal.
It has never yet been enforced in a court of law, though (bending over backwards with 'political correctness'), but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

(March 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm)Napoleon Wrote:

(March 22, 2012 at 8:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: pakis

OMMMM!!!! Not allowed to say that word over here. Unless you're a paki yourself. Then you can say it all you want.

Just like the magical N word.

I didn't know it was offensive.

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(March 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm)Scarlet Pimpernel Wrote:

(March 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I'm pretty sure not shaking hands with someone isn't illegal.

It is discrimination on the basis of sex as stipulated in most constitutions, and therefore illegal.
It has never yet been enforced in a court of law, though (bending over backwards with 'political correctness'), but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

Show me where it's exactly written as such.
I'm really unsure that such a thing exists.
I do not have to shake hands with anyone.

(March 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm)Scarlet Pimpernel Wrote:

(March 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I'm pretty sure not shaking hands with someone isn't illegal.

It is discrimination on the basis of sex as stipulated in most western constitutions, and therefore illegal.
It has never yet been enforced in a court of law, though (bending over backwards with 'political correctness'), but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

Are you serious? Nobody can force anyone to shake anyone else's hand. It's not illegal if you don't want to shake someone's hand, you're talking total bollocks.