(February 26, 2012 at 6:34 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(February 26, 2012 at 2:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(February 25, 2012 at 4:05 am)aleialoura Wrote: Is there anyone who is sure that god doesn't exist? I'd like to see the evidence, personally.

I'm sure that none of his followers have the slightest bit of actual evidence for his existence. Otherwise, I agree with Dawkins that one cannot prove a negative... one can merely compile evidence why the negative is nonsensical.

But to what end? It will never add up to objective evidence and you'll never convince those who don't want to be. You don't need any more convincing yourself. So to hell with it.

I just enjoy fucking with them. Keeps people like Frods on his toes.

(February 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I just enjoy fucking with them. Keeps people like Frods on his toes.

That's about the only sensible answer I can imagine.

(February 26, 2012 at 1:52 am)Abracadabra Wrote:

(February 25, 2012 at 4:05 am)aleialoura Wrote: Is there anyone who is sure that god doesn't exist? I'd like to see the evidence, personally.

Well, I ran into an atheist on this very forum who goes around proclaiming that science has ruled out any spiritual essence to reality. So there are atheistic fruitcakes to be found who erroneously believe that they can disprove a spiritual essence to reality altogether. Forget about any specific Gods. They rule out everything even remotely close to being mystical.

For some reason my ears started burning. Is it justified or am I just imagining it?

If you believe in the truth then you can't go wrong.

(April 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm)Kratos Wrote: If you believe in the truth then you can't go wrong.

Who could've guessed that being right means you're not wrong? Nice philosophy there. *sigh*

(February 25, 2012 at 4:11 am)aleialoura Wrote: Now we're just playing word games. Yawn.

No 'we' are not, in my opinion.. Being sure is merely personal certitude. Unless supported by credible evidence, "I'm sure" is meaningless as a bald statement.


A skeptic,I avoid truth statements much as I can. That is because I'm unaware any absolute truths.Being sure is dogmatic in my opinion. I try to avoid that kind of thinking,with mixed success.


The best I can say is "I'm sure as I can be" or "X seems to be the case based on available evidence." I try to avoid asserting "X IS the case" Consequently, I assert "I do not believe in God(s) due to the lack of credible evidence". I do NOT claim to have any knowledge about the existence of God(s)

Every atheist has to be at least 0.00001% agnostic otherwise they are closed to the possibility.
At the point they have closed themselves off to even the possibility of being proven wrong they are no longer an atheist, they are a fanatic.
Dawkins is agnostic to Religion in the same way he is agnostic to Santa. Perhaps Santa *is* real and has disguised himself with methods not known to current scientists. Perhaps as science advances we will discover these methods and prove him real. This is a possibility, albeit a ridiculously unlikely one.

Quote:Kratos Wrote: If you believe in the truth then you can't go wrong.

What? Are you saying you have discovered a universal definition for " The Truth"? How wonderful! Let's have your definition and a few examples.

Dawkins said we can't be 100% sure that something doesn't exist, which he claimed would be akin to having "faith". Theists will say that they are 100% sure that god exists because they believe on faith. That was the rating scale of belief in the God Delusion. Very few atheists were the level 7 atheists, claiming 100% certitude of god's nonexistence.

Can't be 100% sure about Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Odin, Ra etc...

(April 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm)padraic Wrote:

Quote:Kratos Wrote: If you believe in the truth then you can't go wrong.

What? Are you saying you have discovered a universal definition for " The Truth"? How wonderful! Let's have your definition and a few examples.