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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am by fr0d0.)
(April 23, 2012 at 5:23 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Theism = Belief in god
Atheism = Lack of belief in god.
Why would atheism need evidence if it makes no claims? It's a stance.
Theism is a cover all term for believers in deity/ies, just as atheism is a cover all term for those lacking said belief. That does not mean that atheists lack any belief, or cannot be subdivided into "denominations" covering all kinds of superstitious and pseudo rational bullshit idealisms. As an atheist, just as me as a theist, you should be able to present rational evidence of your stance. I couldn't defend 'theism' either - because it's too wide a subject. I only defend Christianity.
Now stop playing games and answer the questions! 
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 7:52 am
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 7:53 am by LastPoet.)
I agree FNM, no straight answer, no attention span on our replies... yeah troll, let im die in ignorance.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 7:59 am
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 8:09 am by Ace Otana.)
(April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: As an atheist, just as me as a theist, you should be able to present rational evidence of your stance. I couldn't defend 'theism' either - because it's too wide a subject. I only defend Christianity.
That's complete nonsense Fr0d0. Why would I need to show evidence for my lack of belief in god? It doesn't make any sense.
It's like me saying that you must show evidence that you don't believe in the god Odin or Thor or any other higher power or whatever.
I was an atheist long before I was even aware of the word. Atheism simply means without theism. It doesn't get any simpler than that. It really doesn't.
Besides, evidence for my stance which is atheism. A lack of theism, lack of belief in god. What evidence do you expect to see? What would that evidence prove?
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Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 8:08 am
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 8:11 am by NoMoreFaith.)
(April 23, 2012 at 7:33 am)Jireh Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 6:47 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: Let me repeat the point. Hardly anybody says nothing created the universe.
your fellow Ace Otana does. Krauss does, Hawkins does....
Then you have not watched or read any replies in this thread.
Is an empty box nothing? Is a vacuum nothing? What do you consider nothing?
In both those examples, they are referring to a nothing which consists of "something".
True nothing is most likely to be impossible.
(April 23, 2012 at 7:33 am)Jireh Wrote: NoMoreFaith Wrote:By implication there is probably always something, even if its the "nothing" in the scientific physics/quantum sense.
what does it mean, by the physics/quantum sense ?
either there was always something, or there was not. you cannot have it both ways.
Is it actually possible to quote a person stating there is "probably always something", and then accuse the person quoted of sitting on the fence about the issue? Are you fundamentally dishonest in your replies? How peculiar.
(April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: ...just as atheism is a cover all term for those lacking said belief. That does not mean that atheists lack any belief, or cannot be subdivided into "denominations" covering all kinds of superstitious and pseudo rational bullshit idealisms.
I bet Venn diagrams confused the hell out of you at school.
I take it the concept of not believing in God, but believing in something equally irrational equals having to justify non-belief in a God... how exactly?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 8:51 am
The thing is that Jireh is of such a low standard of evolution that he feels that by asking Atheists his "god" will deliver and answer??
Such in congruency and typical of theistic thinking.
Jireh... IF you need to DEMAND an answer you are not sufficiently ready to receive it (how is THAT for Deep an Meaningful bullshit) does this please you??
Now go away and grow up a bit. 
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 8:57 am
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You require a "better" explanation, an alternative to "goddidit"? NP. Blueberry waffles. Guess that's handled, right Jireh?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 9:02 am
Clearly Jireh is of a confused mind as to what he/she wants or doesn't want. Typical of very young children.
Hey Rhythm..how are your brood going?? All well I hope?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 9:29 am
(April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: That does not mean that atheists lack any belief
I'd say you are correct, but only in what I have quoted. I am an atheist but that does not mean I believe in atheism. I wouldn't know how to believe in nothing, it's pretty hard and something even the best minds have difficulty with. I simply choose not to believe in a divine being.
What I love about these debates is when those on one side of the fence try to tell the those on the other side what they believe. It's easy to do this when the other side has a well documented and understood belief system, but not so when they don't. If atheists claim to not believe in God, that does not indicate a belief system. It does not necessarily indicate the lack of a belief system either, but you should not make assumptions.
I believe a better question from the OP would have been... "As an atheist, what do you believe in?". Now those could be interesting answers.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 9:31 am
Why is this thread so long??
It is just some guy being a moron. ARGHH!!!
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 9:33 am
(April 23, 2012 at 9:31 am)frankiej Wrote: Why is this thread so long??
It is just some guy being a moron. ARGHH!!!
True that darlin' but it keeps people entertained..... how iz ya?? 
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