Nice to see you back on the forums posting your autobiographical information disguised as explanations of divinity Ryft. Still keeping the faith, still showing indifference to the condemned. Good for you. Good for your god. I suppose the last bit was redundant though.

At those who wonder why god has not presented itself. You haven't been looking hard enough. There are a few of them, clearly presenting themselves and participating in this very thread.

I think you haven't put all the quote tags in properly GC. Let's see here...

(May 5, 2012 at 3:13 am)Godschild Wrote: You would not want God to intervene in your life, now would you.

I wouldn't know. I can't exactly say divine intervention is a regular occurrence in my day-to-day life.

Quote:What's truly appalling, man's lack of caring for man, God works through man and if mankind doesn't care then how is He to help.

So when I choose to selflessly help my fellow man, sometimes at my own expense, I'm only doing it because I'm your god's puppet?

Quote:We are the ones at fault that the world is the shape it is, and you think God's suppose to intervene, why, it's our mess.

You've gone off the original topic - we're talking about being saved from eternal condemnation not the trivial ongoings in this supposed finite realm. The stakes are high we risk going to Hell and your god's doing nothing, apparently.

Quote:Why do you assume that God's passion and drive would ever wan. He will withdraw the opportunity in His perfect timing through His fore knowledge.

You've just answered my question. Right, so at what point does he withdraw the opportunity because he no longer loves the unrepentant sinner and gives them up to their own ways?

Quote:God desires our love, worship, obedience and ect., those things we can withhold from Him. Outside of the things we withhold from God, I do not know what He would desire since He can create anything He would want.

He does not desire everyone's love because he knows that's never going to happen. He only loves the elect right?

Quote:Some people can make a decision quicker than others, your statement is not relevant about the amount of time, also God's foreknowledge comes into the equation. For those that die very young, well there destination is heaven.

So their choice, their freewill, to make the concious decision whether to love or hate god was denied then right?

Quote:All those things you mentioned have nothing to do with you being incompatible with my beliefs in God or eternity, more than likely it's because of your lack of self esteem.

I don't desire eternity. I don't desire Heaven. I'm not even particularly happy that I had to exist even once. Sorry, I am very much incompatible in that I don't share your desires and beliefs.

Quote:I'm sorry it makes no sense to you, I really wish it did. God is because He has always been, do not expect a better answer than this from me, my mind can not conceive such vastness.

Well then its pointless continuing that discussion isn't it? Look at it from my perspective for a change - I have no idea what you're talking about exactly and it doesn't help when you admit you also have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote:Salvation from sin and whatever makes you have an attitude where you don't care. From our other discussions it seems to me that you care very little, I hope I'm wrong in my thinking and I certainly do not mean it in a demeaning way.

You are almost correct, I don't care at all.

In your theology I'm 'goddamned' mate.

Quote:I believe this one to be down to earth, not to rich for our blood so to speak. Matthew 13:3-23 is a parable about a farmer, read all the verses they fit your life.

Nope, try again please.

Quote:The first two questions you'll have to answer for yourself.

I can't. I don't believe they really exist.

Quote:I'm not sure what you're relating to in the last sentence?

I don't understand why you want god or heaven.

(April 28, 2012 at 7:50 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: why doesn't he just show himself continuously to everyone?

Because only a select few have the opportunity to grace the grandeur of the Lord God.

(May 5, 2012 at 5:52 am)Christian Wrote:

(April 28, 2012 at 7:50 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: why doesn't he just show himself continuously to everyone?

Because only a select few have the opportunity to grace the grandeur of the Lord God.

And who selects those few?

(May 4, 2012 at 4:32 pm)DeeTee Wrote: The insulting tone and words motivate me to ignore your post. I won't report you this time, if that does any good, but if yo want a discussion with me, keep it out of the gutter, out of the realm of insult and talk like an adult with a minimal amount of intelligence.

My "insulting tone" is no more offensive than your arrogant disregard for anything resembling reasoning and you do so with the true patronising demeanor of someone who thinks hes correct simply because he has faith and sees minimal reason to justify himself. "Yo" would know all about the minimal amount of intelligence, probably why you skipped my point entirely seen as the only instances you could come up with of "God showing himself" consist of Jesus appearing on toast. I guess him and Elvis have alot in common.

Quote:Yes but that doesn't mean everything will be done according to your idea of having a choice.

Oh I *see*. So what idea of choice are you working from exactly? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.

Quote:There is no implying it is a fact. Proving is subjective and depends upon your acceptance of the evidence and so far all you have shown is contempt and dismissal so proving anything to you is a waste of time.

Your concept of proof depends solely on me just accepting it without merit or reason? Again, get a dictionary.

Quote:I see you can't produce the evidence but need to avoid meeting that request.

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Why would I? Your question fully accepts the premise that your religion is on par with any other and equal in terms of bullshit. You discount everything with that simple admission with minimal effort on my part.

Quote:The rest of your post is just not worth attempting to respond to. Your attitude and insulting demeanor just cuts off any sort of discussion that could be had.

So you're not even willing to tackle the point that your book promotes barbaric behavior? I can't blame you, its a losing struggle on your part.

Oh and you might want to learn how to quote properly.
A less keen observer would of missed your jibberish entirely... perhaps that was the intention though.

(May 5, 2012 at 3:13 am)Godschild Wrote: What's truly appalling, man's lack of caring for man, God works through man and if mankind doesn't care then how is He to help.

Wc Wrote:So when I choose to selflessly help my fellow man, sometimes at my own expense, I'm only doing it because I'm your god's puppet?

You never know, not really, He does work in mysterious ways.

GC Wrote:We are the ones at fault that the world is the shape it is, and you think God's suppose to intervene, why, it's our mess.

Wc Wrote:You've gone off the original topic - we're talking about being saved from eternal condemnation not the trivial ongoings in this supposed finite realm. The stakes are high we risk going to Hell and your god's doing nothing, apparently.

Sorry I misunderstood, now to the subject, you're right the stakes are high, higher than you understand at this point. It's not God's fault that you're not listening, many have shared the gospel on this site.

GC Wrote:Why do you assume that God's passion and drive would ever wan. He will withdraw the opportunity in His perfect timing through His fore knowledge.

Wc Wrote:You've just answered my question. Right, so at what point does he withdraw the opportunity because he no longer loves the unrepentant sinner and gives them up to their own ways?

He doesn't withdraw due to not loving people, He will withdraw once He's satisfied one has had enough chances. Like I said above, in His perfect timing and through His foreknowledge.

GC Wrote:God desires our love, worship, obedience and ect., those things we can withhold from Him. Outside of the things we withhold from God, I do not know what He would desire since He can create anything He would want.

WC Wrote:He does not desire everyone's love because he knows that's never going to happen. He only loves the elect right?

Wrong and you know it.

GC Wrote:Some people can make a decision quicker than others, your statement is not relevant about the amount of time, also God's foreknowledge comes into the equation. For those that die very young, well there destination is heaven.

Wc Wrote:So their choice, their freewill, to make the concious decision whether to love or hate god was denied then right?

They are not old enough, that's what you asked about.

GC Wrote:I'm sorry it makes no sense to you, I really wish it did. God is because He has always been, do not expect a better answer than this from me, my mind can not conceive such vastness.

Wc Wrote:Well then its pointless continuing that discussion isn't it? Look at it from my perspective for a change - I have no idea what you're talking about exactly and it doesn't help when you admit you also have no idea what you're talking about.

I did not say I have no idea, why God is, is beyond anyone's comprehension.

GC Wrote:I believe this one to be down to earth, not to rich for our blood so to speak. Matthew 13:3-23 is a parable about a farmer, read all the verses they fit your life.

Wc Wrote:Nope, try again please.

Nope, I could keep them coming but your reply will just be the same.

GC Wrote:I'm not sure what you're relating to in the last sentence?

Wc Wrote:I don't understand why you want god or heaven.

I believe I've thoroughly explained why many times.

I am done withthis thread. The equation is simple. If you want to meet God you have to humble yourselves, follow His rules and do things His way which means you must repent of your sins and follow Jesus. If you don't, then they only time you will see God is when you meet Him at the judgement or run into a true believer. (and the latter is doubtful as your unbelief will probably blind you from realizing whom you encountered).

(May 5, 2012 at 9:03 pm)DeeTee Wrote: I am done withthis thread. The equation is simple. If you want to meet God you have to humble yourselves, follow His rules and do things His way which means you must repent of your sins and follow Jesus. If you don't, then they only time you will see God is when you meet Him at the judgement or run into a true believer. (and the latter is doubtful as your unbelief will probably blind you from realizing whom you encountered).

So, you'll meet god no matter what?

And does a true believer turn into god?

Meh, I've met plenty of True Believers™. They're one of the reasons that I am not... It's good to know that I'll actually get to see this douche-god in person though, if only once. What with all the "eternal seperation" bit that's been floating about recently I had started to envision the process as the celestial equivalent of the DMV. I half expected there to be a hostile, overweight paper-pusher named Janice breathlessly stamping my file "hellbound" with nary a word from the almighty. I like your idea though, this way, when I see your god, I get to be a spiritual reminder of how big an asshat he is. Maybe after condemning a few thousand(million?, billion?) folks like myself he'll have a "roadside conversion", see the light, and stop preying on those smaller and weaker than himself. Or maybe not.

(May 5, 2012 at 5:52 am)Christian Wrote: Because only a select few have the opportunity to grace the grandeur of the Lord God.

So god has favourites? Yeah, asshole.