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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 6:40 am
(May 24, 2012 at 1:09 am)Tempus Wrote: For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true. I'm just interested in what you consider 'holy' and what that means if something / someone has that as an attribute.
Well, I don't think that something has to be a divine commandment to be considered holy.
For me, my flag, my banner is holy.
My family is holy.
My nation and my values are holy.
Anyone who wishes to defile them will find me before them.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 8:13 am
I'm with Aiza on this. And I would add that in a broader sense 'holy', or Q'dosh in Hebrew, can also mean something that we recognize as being 'set apart'. The word distinguishes between what is divine and what is profane. Dedications, like offerings, are set apart from the rest of the stock. And some things are also holy in themselves, like the Holy Spirit. The Word is holy, because it is set apart from all other writings.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 9:38 am
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(May 24, 2012 at 2:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (May 24, 2012 at 1:09 am)Tempus Wrote: For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true.
I can assume, exactly what do you mean by this, I can assume? My faith is true, it's about truth, and it's truth is eternal.
'Nough said.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 10:12 am
Holy = Swiss Cheese
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 10:16 am
(May 24, 2012 at 6:02 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Is this anything to do with that spicky plant that thrives in the middle of winter??
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That plant has more substance than anything holy. It has an extra "l".
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm
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(May 24, 2012 at 2:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (May 24, 2012 at 1:09 am)Tempus Wrote: For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true.
I can assume, exactly what do you mean by this, I can assume? My faith is true, it's about truth, and it's truth is eternal.
Terrific "non- answer" there 
(May 24, 2012 at 4:26 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: (May 24, 2012 at 4:25 am)Aiza Wrote: Holy Name, Holy Face, Holy Orders, Holy Matrimony, Holy Week, Holy See, Holy Innocents, Holy Spirit, Holy Week, Holy Grail, Holy Water, Holy Sepulchre, Holy Communion....geez. 
Holy Fuck?
Sure, if it is dedicated to God? 
Since this is the closest the deists are coming I'll have a go at it. [sigh]
definition: Declared sacred (special) by religious use or authority.
As I was taught: separated unto God, belonging to Him, dedicated to God's kingdom, consecrated as in
dedicated to serving God
no need to be evasive, fire away
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I agree with Aiza and ChadWooters, we become holy when we set ourselves apart from the world, dedicating ourselves to God. God said, be holy as I am holy, God is our holy example of being set apart from the world of sin.
My first statement was in reaction to a statement that did not fit the christians on this site.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I know I'm not a theist, but I do have an opinion on things being holy or sacred. Nothing should be. Absolutely nothing. When something because unquestionable, you become manipulable. I'm not saying trust no one or anything like that, but questioning is a good practice. Never stop asking why, ect.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm
(May 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm)Annik Wrote: I know I'm not a theist, but I do have an opinion on things being holy or sacred. Nothing should be. Absolutely nothing. When something because unquestionable, you become manipulable. I'm not saying trust no one or anything like that, but questioning is a good practice. Never stop asking why, ect.
I've never seen being holy a reason to stop asking, God's holiness is so great we have to ask questions.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I think they mean "This is a piece of bullshit"
Atheism is a non-prophet organisation. - A dusty old book that I found that must be completely true because someone wrote it down.
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