(June 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm)Bravo Wrote:

(June 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm)StatCrux Wrote: So now you are saying thoughts are not physical? I'm happy with that, that's what I said from the outset. Thought cannot be reduced to a physical object that exists in the brain as it is not physical, by your own admission.

Your thoughts and programs/information stored on your computer have the same physical properties.The only difference is complexity, the brain has billions more connections than a computer. Stop bringing mystical nonsense in a straightforward mechanism.

The information/programs on a computer are physical, are you saying that our thoughts are physical in the same way? Please clarify, as others on here (brian37, chuck) say thoughts are NOT physical.

(June 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm)StatCrux Wrote:

(June 1, 2012 at 5:18 pm)Annik Wrote: The truth is, we don't understand how the electronic/chemical impulses in our brains translate to thought. Science will figure it out eventually, but for the time being, we cannot say one way or the other.

At least you're honest, until we do know I think all options should be considered, to close your mind to one particular option because it wouldn't agree with your current take on reality is close minded.

STOP IT, now you are trying to pull a Bill O'Reilly.

"Fair and Balanced"

No, reality is NOT up for a vote.

Not knowing everything about how the brain works does not equal a "spirit" or a "soul" or a "mind" outlasting our physical selves.

What science KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS

Is that when the brain dies, we die, there is no us anymore.

What you want to do is to get us to admit "you don't know everything"

And then try to pull an Evil Knievel by asserting the gap is filled with a fictitious beyond.

Why don't you apply for a job at Fox News, propaganda seems to be right up your ally.

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(June 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm)StatCrux Wrote:

(June 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm)Bravo Wrote: Your thoughts and programs/information stored on your computer have the same physical properties.The only difference is complexity, the brain has billions more connections than a computer. Stop bringing mystical nonsense in a straightforward mechanism.

The information/programs on a computer are physical, are you saying that our thoughts are physical in the same way? Please clarify, as others on here (brian37, chuck) say thoughts are NOT physical.

ONCE YOU ARE DEAD YOU ARE DEAD.

Now you want to make a computer analogy. FINE. BLOW your computer up and then try to use it moron.

(June 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm)StatCrux Wrote: At least you're honest, until we do know I think all options should be considered, to close your mind to one particular option because it wouldn't agree with your current take on reality is close minded.

STOP IT, now you are trying to pull a Bill O'Reilly.

"Fair and Balanced"

No, reality is NOT up for a vote.

Not knowing everything about how the brain works does not equal a "spirit" or a "soul" or a "mind" outlasting our physical selves.

What science KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS

Is that when the brain dies, we die, there is no us anymore.

What you want to do is to get us to admit "you don't know everything"

And then try to pull an Evil Knievel by asserting the gap is filled with a fictitious beyond.

Why don't you apply for a job at Fox News, propaganda seems to be right up your ally.

I haven't mentioned spirit, soul or mind. Your presumption is incorrect. You seem to be following the insult person followed by straw man and presumption of others views methodology..not one single part of your post addressed anything I had said, merely your presumptions followed with cheap insults, seems to get kudos on this site though, so carry on if thats what floats your boat..

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(June 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Now you want to make a computer analogy. FINE. BLOW your computer up and then try to use it moron.

No, I didn't make the computer analogy, Bravo made the analogy, I questioned it, learn to read. In fact if you had read the posts you would see that I don't agree with the computer analogy. Its obvious to anyone, have you been drinking?

(June 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm)StatCrux Wrote:

(June 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: STOP IT, now you are trying to pull a Bill O'Reilly.

"Fair and Balanced"

No, reality is NOT up for a vote.

Not knowing everything about how the brain works does not equal a "spirit" or a "soul" or a "mind" outlasting our physical selves.

What science KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS KNOWS

Is that when the brain dies, we die, there is no us anymore.

What you want to do is to get us to admit "you don't know everything"

And then try to pull an Evil Knievel by asserting the gap is filled with a fictitious beyond.

Why don't you apply for a job at Fox News, propaganda seems to be right up your ally.

I haven't mentioned spirit, soul or mind. Your presumption is incorrect. You seem to be following the insult person followed by straw man and presumption of others views methodology..not one single part of your post addressed anything I had said, merely your presumptions followed with cheap insults, seems to get kudos on this site though, so carry on if thats what floats your boat..

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(June 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Now you want to make a computer analogy. FINE. BLOW your computer up and then try to use it moron.

No, I didn't make the computer analogy, learn to read. In fact if you had read the posts you would see that I don't agree with the computer analogy. Its obvious to anyone, have you been drinking?

Ok, auto pilot kicked in. My bad.

But you still want to separate "I" or "me" or "what we are" as individuals from our physical selves. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to make an orgy of an issue out of thoughts not having weight or mass.

You have an end goal and the end goal and I am not distracted from that. WOO is your end goal and that there is a "beyond".

There is no beyond. PERIOD! There is nature and evolution and biology. But there is no spirit, or mind or soul. When you die you die, thats it.

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LETS CUT TO THE CHASE

You, "Thoughts have no weight or mass"

Me, "so the fuck what"

Just like speed has no weight or mass, but is a product of an object with weight and mass.

You are trying to prove that there is some "great beyond" and all you have is bullshit mental masturbation.

That is where we are at, and all I see is an end goal on your part peddling woo like Twinkies to an obese person.

(June 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, auto pilot kicked in. My bad.

But you still want to separate "I" or "me" or "what we are" as individuals from our physical selves. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to make an orgy of an issue out of thoughts not having weight or mass.

You have an end goal and the end goal and I am not distracted from that. WOO is your end goal and that there is a "beyond".

There is no beyond. PERIOD! There is nature and evolution and biology. But there is no spirit, or mind or soul. When you die you die, thats it.

You're still doing it! telling me what I think or am trying to say. You have said that thought is not physical, that is a separation from our physical selves. Otherwise show how non-physical thought is connected to a physical process (the brain), remember you said thought is not physical..How do non-physical and physical interact?

You must think this is the first debate I have had.

No.

You have an end goal, I already know what that end goal is.

You want "something" to exist beyond us. You want YOU to live beyond your own body.

You drink Woo like Jim Jones drinks Kool Aid.

Let me spell it out for you, not that I have not already done that.

ONCE YOU ARE DEAD YOU ARE DEAD!

Now, unless Chinese hackers are fucking with both of us, that is not asking you to read War And Peace in 10 seconds.

I cannot help you if you cant face your finite existence, but that is reality.

(June 1, 2012 at 6:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You must think this is the first debate I have had.

No.

You have an end goal, I already know what that end goal is.

You want "something" to exist beyond us. You want YOU to live beyond your own body.

You drink Woo like Jim Jones drinks Kool Aid.

Let me spell it out for you, not that I have not already done that.

ONCE YOU ARE DEAD YOU ARE DEAD!

Now, unless Chinese hackers are fucking with both of us, that is not asking you to read War And Peace in 10 seconds.

I cannot help you if you cant face your finite existence, but that is reality.

Just more presumptions, assertions and insults..are you going to engage with the issue of non-physical interaction with the physical or just continue with presumptions, assertions and insults?

THERE IS NO MYSTERY

When the brain dies you die.

Your convoluted garbage sits well with the intellectually lazy. I might hire such an imaginative person to make a movie about Superman or Harry potter. In that context Hollywood is NOT lazy. But I damned sure would not hire these same people who work endless hours creating myth and selling it to do surgery on my own mother.

WHEN THE BRAIN DIES YOU DIE!

(June 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: THERE IS NO MYSTERY

When the brain dies you die.

Your convoluted garbage sits well with the intellectually lazy. I might hire such an imaginative person to make a movie about Superman or Harry potter. In that context Hollywood is NOT lazy. But I damned sure would not hire these same people who work endless hours creating myth and selling it to do surgery on my own mother.

WHEN THE BRAIN DIES YOU DIE!

And so says Brian37...