'zombie attack' ya reckon frankiej??

(June 11, 2012 at 9:29 am)LastPoet Wrote: Question: Do you think religion is the cause of all of the worlds problems?

Loaded question.

Go back and re read my OP. Nowhere did I ever claim a cure all for humanity, and I also stated the fact of evolution that it will ALWAYS produce irrational claims. ALWAYS.

What IS destructive about religion is that it is a DISTRACTION. If we can get more people to put it on the back burner instead of treating it as life and death our world could be more peacefulI am not suggesting we can use force to purge people from claiming absurd claims. I am merely saying that we always maintain the ability to question to keep all forms of fascism at bay.

Political parties also are a form of dogmatism. Stalin's communism was worship of the the state. And even outside the issue of government social norms such as "honor" in the family have produced MURDER of daughters in Islam and Hinduism if they refuse to enter a pre arranged marriage.

ANY CLAIM, IDEA, SOCIAL NORM has the potential to become worshiped. Right now globally religion is the biggest offender. Only the ability to question can be humanity's leash on preventing monopolies of power.

Religion has always had a history of stifling progress. It always has to be drug by the questioners into the future. "Religion" ISN'T just about god claims, it is anything that is worshiped, and that can include political ideologies.

(June 11, 2012 at 9:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Can't say it any better that these kind people.....

Ahh, the good old genetic fallacy...

(June 11, 2012 at 9:50 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: 'zombie attack' ya reckon frankiej??

Nah, just a brain fart.

(June 11, 2012 at 9:53 am)frankiej Wrote:

(June 11, 2012 at 9:50 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: 'zombie attack' ya reckon frankiej??

Nah, just a brain fart.

Poor thing. How are ya mate??

(June 11, 2012 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote:

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(June 11, 2012 at 9:29 am)LastPoet Wrote: Question: Do you think religion is the cause of all of the worlds problems?

Loaded question.

Go back and re read my OP. Nowhere did I ever claim a cure all for humanity, and I also stated the fact of evolution that it will ALWAYS produce irrational claims. ALWAYS.

What IS destructive about religion is that it is a DISTRACTION. If we can get more people to put it on the back burner instead of treating it as life and death our world could be more peacefulI am not suggesting we can use force to purge people from claiming absurd claims. I am merely saying that we always maintain the ability to question to keep all forms of fascism at bay.

Political parties also are a form of dogmatism. Stalin's communism was worship of the the state. And even outside the issue of government social norms such as "honor" in the family have produced MURDER of daughters in Islam and Hinduism if they refuse to enter a pre arranged marriage.

ANY CLAIM, IDEA, SOCIAL NORM has the potential to become worshiped. Right now globally religion is the biggest offender. Only the ability to question can be humanity's leash on preventing monopolies of power.

Religion has always had a history of stifling progress. It always has to be drug by the questioners into the future. "Religion" ISN'T just about god claims, it is anything that is worshiped, and that can include political ideologies.

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It is loaded heh? How?

So your plan to fight religion is to be as intolerant or more than religions are. Its not about calling an 'idiot' to a fundie, that's inevitable due to their dumbness, its about calling an 'idiot' to a person that could otherwise be reasoned with, and that's your generalization fallacy. In other words: Y U SO ANGRY?

If we were truly interested in a fight appeals to the perceived high ground would be meaningless. In a conflict there are only winners and losers. Even so, if someone can explain why it should bother me that I'm intolerant of intolerance, or malicious towards those who harbor malice, I'd be greatly obliged. Before we invoke the hypothetical "decent" christian, their decency and their christianity are decidely different subjects. One might be decent, but one could not be decently christian, at least not by my count. My count, of course, being my own business and in no way indicative of reality in and of itself.

(June 11, 2012 at 9:55 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(June 11, 2012 at 9:53 am)frankiej Wrote: Nah, just a brain fart.

Poor thing. How are ya mate??

I'm all groovy. Yourself?

(June 11, 2012 at 10:08 am)frankiej Wrote:

(June 11, 2012 at 9:55 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Poor thing. How are ya mate??

I'm all groovy. Yourself?

Bit damp, but otherwise not too shabby.

(June 11, 2012 at 10:03 am)LastPoet Wrote:

(June 11, 2012 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote:

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Loaded question.

Go back and re read my OP. Nowhere did I ever claim a cure all for humanity, and I also stated the fact of evolution that it will ALWAYS produce irrational claims. ALWAYS.

What IS destructive about religion is that it is a DISTRACTION. If we can get more people to put it on the back burner instead of treating it as life and death our world could be more peacefulI am not suggesting we can use force to purge people from claiming absurd claims. I am merely saying that we always maintain the ability to question to keep all forms of fascism at bay.

Political parties also are a form of dogmatism. Stalin's communism was worship of the the state. And even outside the issue of government social norms such as "honor" in the family have produced MURDER of daughters in Islam and Hinduism if they refuse to enter a pre arranged marriage.

ANY CLAIM, IDEA, SOCIAL NORM has the potential to become worshiped. Right now globally religion is the biggest offender. Only the ability to question can be humanity's leash on preventing monopolies of power.

Religion has always had a history of stifling progress. It always has to be drug by the questioners into the future. "Religion" ISN'T just about god claims, it is anything that is worshiped, and that can include political ideologies.

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It is loaded heh? How?

So your plan to fight religion is to be as intolerant or more than religions are. Its not about calling an 'idiot' to a fundie, that's inevitable due to their dumbness, its about calling an 'idiot' to a person that could otherwise be reasoned with, and that's your generalization fallacy. In other words: Y U SO ANGRY?

BULLSHIT, not liking my word choice does not make me intolerant.

Here is how you are childishly reacting.

NFL FAN X "The chargers won the Super Bowl this year"

NFL FAN Y "Bullshit, the Giants did"

Otherwise Einstein in his last letter before he died was being intolerant by calling the Hebrew faith "noble but childish".

GO BACK and read my OP.

Intolerant would be demanding the arrest of people who make absurd claims. If you can show me where I claimed that, then you could claim I was being intolerant. Merely saying you have no right to be free from being offended, does not make me intolerant.

THE church of Galileo's time that put him under house arrest was intolerant. Iran is intolerant to dissent. Merely saying you have no right to set up taboos and prevent me from questioning any claim is hardly intolerant.

The 9/11 hijackers were intolerant. Stalin was intolerant. Merely saying "you are full of shit" does not mean I will kill you or have you arrested.