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Where did the Jesus myth come from?
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 (June 15, 2012 at 3:42 am)FallentoReason Wrote:(June 15, 2012 at 3:31 am)cratehorus Wrote: So Josephus invented the myth? Josephus...... Joseph.... coincidence? Matthew is the name of Josephus' father and older brother?  (June 15, 2012 at 4:17 am)cratehorus Wrote:(June 15, 2012 at 3:42 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm doing research on him and Plutarch. I believe (without the adequate evidence yet..) that Josephus ben Matthew wrote the Gospel of Matthew and maybe was involved with Mark. Are you asking or stating but not 100% certain? Matthew is his last name. Titus Flavius Josephus in Hebrew is called Yosef ben Matityahu. Matthew is Greek for Matityahu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 (June 15, 2012 at 3:42 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm doing research on him and Plutarch. I believe (without the adequate evidence yet..) that Josephus ben Matthew wrote the Gospel of Matthew and maybe was involved with Mark. Not possible. Matthew corrects Mark's misunderstandings of Hebrew custom too many times to have been the same author.
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Josephus was long dead by the time xtianity really got going in the mid 2d century.
Prior to that we have only the ecclesiastical lies put forward by later church writers to justify themselves and hints of gnostic groups or other splinter cults worshiping some "christ-figure" but generally flying below the radar with the notable exception of Pliny the Younger's report from Asia Minor....which fails to mention "jesus," "crucifixion." "mary," "joseph," "pilate" or "jerusalem" among other failings. (June 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Josephus was long dead by the time xtianity really got going in the mid 2d century. Where did you find that information? Sounds like a juicy lead that I want to explore further. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
June 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm
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What? Pliny?
http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/pliny.html Roman governor of Bithinia-Pontus ( Asia Minor ) from 110-112 BC. Notable friend of P. Cornelius Tacitus and commanding officer of Suetonius. Stumbled across a group which called themselves xtians because they were violating a law against private meetings and dealt with them but then referred the result to Trajan for confirmation. Pliny died in 112 so there is no chance his letter was later than that and the contents are such that no xtian would forge it. Further, no xtian would forge Trajan's reply which is so mild in comparison to the harsh justice of our own day.
Awesome, thanks for that.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
June 15, 2012 at 1:11 pm
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2012 at 1:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 15, 2012 at 8:16 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Not possible. Matthew corrects Mark's misunderstandings of Hebrew custom too many times to have been the same author. The author could have changed his mind, if it were the same author, and there's no telling as to what his default mindset was. I probably wouldn't say "not possible" but I would definitely say "not well evidenced enough" or "not based on what you have presented thusfar".
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