(June 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm)hoppimike Wrote:

(June 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Personal experience isn't evidence. Just saying....

Well, there's interesting evidence about Jesus as well. Corinthians and the acknowledgement of Jesus by both Islam and Judaism is pretty much proof enough to me that he was an important figure in history O.O

Actually, we have yet to find any contemporary writings about Jesus. Not a single primary source exists as far as we know. If you've not really studied history, that means that nobody who supposedly knew Jesus ever wrote about him (or if they did, the writings have never been found) All we have is hearsay; writings by people who heard from someone who heard that someone heard of someone... Chinese whispers basically. So whether he existed or not, there is no credible evidence to prove it.

I was told in RE at school about there being all this historical evidence for Jesus... Then one day I mentioned it online and someone said to me "Look for it. You'll be amazed at what you don't find." and they were quite correct. So for now I am inclined to believe he is fictional, unless we do find something more reliable to suggest otherwise.

I find that question about as compelling as asking "What if monkeys flew out of my butt?".

(June 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm)hoppimike Wrote:

(June 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I don't know if he existed, I'm not claiming that he didn't because I don't know. However what I am quite sure of is that if he existed, he would of been just a man and did not resurrect.

When it comes to jebus, I couldn't give a fuck about him.

But what if he WAS legit? O.O

I couldn't give a fuck if jesus was legit or not, I still wouldn't worship the bugger.

The fact is, there is very little, or no, primary sources saying jesus lived, and there are only dubious secondary sources beyond the bible, and the gospels were written at least 30 years after his apparent death.

(June 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm)hoppimike Wrote:

(June 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I don't know if he existed, I'm not claiming that he didn't because I don't know. However what I am quite sure of is that if he existed, he would of been just a man and did not resurrect.

When it comes to jebus, I couldn't give a fuck about him.

But what if he WAS legit? O.O

What if I could shoot laser beams out of my ass? There's no evidence for it, but we can sit around what iffing it all day.

(June 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm)hoppimike Wrote: But what if he WAS legit? O.O

And what if Thor was real? What if Hades was real? Perhaps we're fucked when we die.

I don't do 'what ifs'. How about 'is it true or is it completely false'?
What suggests it's true, any evidence?
I stick to principles that do a damn good job of filtering out bullshit.
Logical procedure: Use known entities to explain unknown entities, never the other way round. Stick to Occam's razer.

My mom actually had one of these when she was in a horrible accident years ago. what she called god asked her what she wanted and she told him she wanted to go home. It was most likely nothing, but it's fascinating nonetheless. Even with the evidence it makes you wonder sometimes if there is more to it.

(June 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm)hoppimike Wrote: No, no...

Just sometimes I speak to atheists and they brush this stuff aside (and the evidence of Jesus) SO SO fast. And I think that's why some people get this false impression that atheism is like a religion in itself (not true, but I can see where the confusion lies) because some people stick to it SO dogmatically!! Even when presented with good counter-evidence!

I just wanna know the truth ^^

Um exactly what is this "good counter evidence " you speak of?


Oh and Protip: can't be dogmatic if you don't have a dogma.

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(June 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm)hoppimike Wrote:

(June 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Personal experience isn't evidence. Just saying....

Well, there's interesting evidence about Jesus as well. Corinthians and the acknowledgement of Jesus by both Islam and Judaism is pretty much proof enough to me that he was an important figure in history O.O

WHAT Judaism recognizes Jeebus as a historical figure and /or a deity?


You realize that islam arose quite some time after jeebus was supposed to have lived, right?

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(June 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm)hoppimike Wrote:

(June 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I don't know if he existed, I'm not claiming that he didn't because I don't know. However what I am quite sure of is that if he existed, he would of been just a man and did not resurrect.

When it comes to jebus, I couldn't give a fuck about him.

But what if he WAS legit? O.O

Didn't someone already ask if this was the new trolling, pretending to be an atheist /agnostic and floating the same old shit under the guise of wanting help arguing against it?

(June 16, 2012 at 10:02 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Me? Still 100% atheist.

ME? Still 6.9/7.00

Quote:Is it me or is Hoppimike coming across as a theist pretending to be an atheist converting to theism? I call hoax.

Hard to tell,might just be a bit credulous and not very bright.


But,after reading THIS I think he's a poe..

Quote: Well, there's interesting evidence about Jesus as well. Corinthians and the acknowledgement of Jesus by both Islam and Judaism is pretty much proof enough to me that he was an important figure in history O.O

(June 16, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: What if I could shoot laser beams out of my ass?

I'll tell you what if: it would be the most hilarious superpower, for a start. Can this laser beam be charged up to shoot a super beam? What's its range? Can it cut through steel? Do you need to warm up first? Does it ever accidentally fire? Does what you eat affect its potency? What colour is the beam? Turquoise?

I can't stop laughing. I don't even want to KNOW what your other orifices are capable of. Actually, I seem to remember some Asian movie where this guy was shooting laser beams out his mouth. That was fun.

Ask Adrian. He'll tell you what my other orifices are capable of. Sorry, I couldn't resist.