(June 18, 2012 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm)Thor Wrote: Really? And was it also a "sign of his love" when he created the little beaties that cause smallpox, polio and malaria?

Can you for once show me in scripture that God created these things: hint, you can't, not because you want, which by the way is also true, but it is not found anywhere in scriptures, I still dare you to try though and when you can't please stop making unfounded statements about God.

Yahweh often creates plagues to curse those who offend him. For example:

Quote:Num 16:44-49 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun.
And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.
And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed.
Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

The bolts of lightning, often attributed to the Christian god in popular culture, was never actually used in the Bible. Far too surgical. That was Zeus' schtick.

(June 18, 2012 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm)Thor Wrote: Really? And was it also a "sign of his love" when he created the little beaties that cause smallpox, polio and malaria?

Can you for once show me in scripture that God created these things: hint, you can't, not because you want, which by the way is also true, but it is not found anywhere in scriptures, I still dare you to try though and when you can't please stop making unfounded statements about God.

So your deity DIDN'T create everything? This makes no sense! If he created the universe, surely he must have created everything IN that universe. How could it be otherwise? Sounds like you're trying wriggle your way out of a knotty problem because you know the implications of admitting that yes, your deity created microbiological monsters.

And if your deity DIDN'T create these critters, where did they come from? Isn't your deity the only one who can create life?

(June 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm)Thor Wrote: So your deity DIDN'T create everything? This makes no sense! If he created the universe, surely he must have created everything IN that universe. How could it be otherwise? Sounds like you're trying wriggle your way out of a knotty problem because you know the implications of admitting that yes, your deity created microbiological monsters.

And if your deity DIDN'T create these critters, where did they come from? Isn't your deity the only one who can create life?

It's because we live in a "fallen world". Sin has entered this world since the time the rib-woman ate the magic fruit after speaking with the talking snake. It is sin that corrupts the perfect world of Yahweh.

It's a simple cause and effect easily demonstrated. When you were a kid and stole that cookie from the jar, breaking one commandment, some cancer cells formed somewhere else in the world. When your mom asked you if you did it and you lied, breaking another commandment, some elderly woman somewhere else got Alzheimer's. All that sinnin creates all that sufferin.

The whole blame humanity's sin for the evils of the world is a brilliant concept. In one foul swoop it not only allows Yaweh to be loving in a world full of cruelty, but it also simultaneously labels humans as something that need 'fixing,' or in this case, salvation. It's a very clever sales tactic.

(June 18, 2012 at 9:35 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(June 18, 2012 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote: Can you for once show me in scripture that God created these things: hint, you can't, not because you want, which by the way is also true, but it is not found anywhere in scriptures, I still dare you to try though and when you can't please stop making unfounded statements about God.

Yahweh often creates plagues to curse those who offend him. For example:

Quote:Num 16:44-49 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun.
And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.
And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed.
Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

The bolts of lightning, often attributed to the Christian god in popular culture, was never actually used in the Bible. Far too surgical. That was Zeus' schtick.

I must have missed something in that passage, please point out where it says God created the plague.

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(June 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm)Thor Wrote:

(June 18, 2012 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote: Can you for once show me in scripture that God created these things: hint, you can't, not because you want, which by the way is also true, but it is not found anywhere in scriptures, I still dare you to try though and when you can't please stop making unfounded statements about God.

So your deity DIDN'T create everything? This makes no sense! If he created the universe, surely he must have created everything IN that universe. How could it be otherwise? Sounds like you're trying wriggle your way out of a knotty problem because you know the implications of admitting that yes, your deity created microbiological monsters.

And if your deity DIDN'T create these critters, where did they come from? Isn't your deity the only one who can create life?

Show me the passages, don't divert your problem to me, I did not make or contribute to your problem. Don't be so lazy, study scriptures if you want to try and debunk them.

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(June 18, 2012 at 8:01 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 18, 2012 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote: Can you for once show me in scripture that God created these things: hint, you can't, not because you want, which by the way is also true, but it is not found anywhere in scriptures, I still dare you to try though and when you can't please stop making unfounded statements about God.

Isiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Now watch the "You're not reading it in context" bullshit start to flow

Evil is a not the correct interpretation of the word, calamity is the proper word, you know we've be trough this a number of times and all the Christians that have responded to this verse have said the same thing. Now how does this prove God created all things?

Did your god create everything?

(June 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Show me the passages, don't divert your problem to me, I did not make or contribute to your problem. Don't be so lazy, study scriptures if you want to try and debunk them.

So you're avoiding my questions. Can't say I blame you. Trying to answer them could cause a monumental problem as your rational brain conflicts with your religious brain. This could cause your cerebellum to explode.

PS I wouldn't expect your "Holy Babble" to mention the creation of microorganisms. After all, the Bronze Age goatherders who wrote the thing had no knowledge of microbiology.

Quote:I must have missed something in that passage, please point out where it says God created the plague.

Your whole life has been one miss after another, G-C. Tell me, what kind of blinders does it take to look at this....

Quote:nd the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun.
And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.
And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed.
Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

And not see that your fucking god was smiting the unrighteous ( or whatever) with a plague? How does one attain the level of intellectual dishonesty that you have attained? You must be a preacher or something to be that fucked up.

(June 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm)Faith No More Wrote: It's a very clever sales tactic.

We could only expect the most shrewd of business tactics from our Lord. After all, he rose from rags to riches, proverbially speaking.

Think about it, he started out as a lowly volcano/war god among many others in some obscure backwater tribe, eventually screwed over th... bought out all his other business venture partners to become the sole proprietor of the ancient Hebrew pantheon. Then disaster struck when his overconfident followers decided to take on the Romans not once but twice. However, he didn't let that setback defeat him. He diversified into the Pagan market with his "son" Jesus. Later he would form a side venture into the Arab market for those who didn't like his Trinity product. Now his combined business interests have earned him a virtual monopoly in his divinity empire. Sure, he started with a wimpy name like "Yahweh" (compare to such impressive monikers as ZEUS, ODIN, RA... (wimpy voice) yahweh) but today he has so cornered the market that he's no longer known by his name but as simply "God".

A real pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps story.

As St. Carlin said, you have to stand in awe, IN AWE, of the biggest bullshit story ever sold.

I would suggest that it was because it pleased Him to do so. In addition, it was another way in which He could express his only perfectly virtuous and just nature. And having more epxression of perfection is better than less, at least from my perspective.