(June 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Thor Wrote:

(June 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Back to the actual question posted here....
God created the universe because he is a God of love and community. He was with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and out of the fullness of that relationship created the universe to share in his love and community.

Really? Then why create planets, stars and galaxies that we can't even see? In fact, why create anything outside of our planet and sun? Why would anything else be necessary?

As far as I know we can see quite a few stars and galaxies. But, beyond that God created the physical universe and the laws that make it up. We need these laws and material to exsist. God first created "star stuff" so that he could form our galaxy, planet, and us from that material.

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(June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:

(June 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Back to the actual question posted here....
God created the universe because he is a God of love and community. He was with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and out of the fullness of that relationship created the universe to share in his love and community.

Uh huh. How did he do it? Creating energy after all violates the laws of nature.
Also, how do you know god even exists let alone being responsible for creating the universe?

God also created the laws of the universe. I wouldn't say I "know" God exsists, but I think he does. I think he exsists because when I look around nature and study science I think it points toward a creator. The universe started in a very low entropy state. That low entropy state had to start somewhere because it is only getting higher.

(June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: As far as I know we can see quite a few stars and galaxies.

So what? I'm talking about the stars and galaxies that we CAN'T see. Why put them there if your only concern is for people on one particular planet who are so far away they can't even see these things?

Quote:But, beyond that God created the physical universe and the laws that make it up.

Complete unsubstantiated hooey.

Quote: We need these laws and material to exsist.

No we don't! "God" can do anything! He could easily make it so we could exist without these laws and materials. Right?

Quote: God first created "star stuff" so that he could form our galaxy, planet, and us from that material.

So what did he do? Buy a cosmic Play-Doh kit?

(June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: God also created the laws of the universe.

How?

Quote:I think he exsists because when I look around nature and study science I think it points toward a creator.

Argument from ignorance. So because you don't know any better you just assume god did it?

(June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: As far as I know we can see quite a few stars and galaxies. But, beyond that God created the physical universe and the laws that make it up. We need these laws and material to exsist. God first created "star stuff" so that he could form our galaxy, planet, and us from that material.

Why?

Quote:God also created the laws of the universe. I wouldn't say I "know" God exsists, but I think he does. I think he exsists because when I look around nature and study science I think it points toward a creator.

Why should I listen to you then? I can meet several people on the street who "think" they've been abducted by aliens.

Quote:The universe started in a very low entropy state. That low entropy state had to start somewhere because it is only getting higher.

Okaaaaaayyy...

Your homework for today "Entropy".

(June 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm)Thor Wrote:

(June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: As far as I know we can see quite a few stars and galaxies.

So what? I'm talking about the stars and galaxies that we CAN'T see. Why put them there if your only concern is for people on one particular planet who are so far away they can't even see these things?

Maybe someday we will be able to see them and even travel to them?

Quote:But, beyond that God created the physical universe and the laws that make it up.

Complete unsubstantiated hooey.

Where did the laws of the universe come from?

Quote: We need these laws and material to exsist.

No we don't! "God" can do anything! He could easily make it so we could exist without these laws and materials. Right?

The fact is we actually do need these laws. Could God have created the universe in a compeletly different way? Absolutely.

Quote: God first created "star stuff" so that he could form our galaxy, planet, and us from that material.

So what did he do? Buy a cosmic Play-Doh kit?

Pretty much, except he created it.

(June 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Maybe someday we will be able to see them and even travel to them?

Why won't this deity let us see these galaxies and travel to them now? Why is he holding us back? He created these things for people who won't be alive for who knows how long? Makes zero sense to me.

Quote:Where did the laws of the universe come from?

The laws of the universe simply describe the relationship of how bodies react and their effect on one another. They didn't "come from" anywhere. This is like saying "where did love come from?" and trying to credit "God" for the fact that love exists.

Quote:The fact is we actually do need these laws.

Why?

Quote: Could God have created the universe in a compeletly different way? Absolutely.

Then why didn't he? Why didn't he create a universe without intestinal parasites, killer microbes or birth defects?

Quote:Pretty much, except he created it.

Baseless assertion. Where's your evidence?

(June 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Genesis.

I dusted off my Bible and read the parts concerning the creation of Earth and here's what I got out of it:

1. Gen 1:1
2. Gen 1:21
3. Gen 1:25
4. Gen 1:29-30

I figure, since you're not "lazy" like we are, you can look them up yourself. : )

I hope this video might help you in your search for the purpose of life on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmGb_sIo...re=related

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I hope this video might help you in your search for the purpose of life on Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmGb_sIo...re=related

Quote:God created the universe because he is a God of love and community. He was with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and out of the fullness of that relationship created the universe to share in his love and community.

Congratulations. You are today's winner.

(June 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm)Thor Wrote: [quote='Hoc est Corpus' pid='301578' dateline='1340220933']

Quote:Why won't this deity let us see these galaxies and travel to them now? Why is he holding us back? He created these things for people who won't be alive for who knows how long? Makes zero sense to me.

I don't think God is holding us back we just haven't learned enough yet. Also, there are probably other planets out there with life forms on them. Probably even other beings with consciences and souls.

Quote:The fact is we actually do need these laws.

Quote:Why?

Laws such as gravity are pretty useful for living things. It would be pretty hard to sustain life with things just floating in space.

Quote:Then why didn't he? Why didn't he create a universe without intestinal parasites, killer microbes or birth defects?

Hmm I can't tell you what God was "thinking" when he created the universe, but I would say in no way does that prove that he didn't create it.

Quote:Pretty much, except he created it.

Baseless assertion. Where's your evidence?

I never said I could "prove" God created it. Only that it seems likely based on the nature of the universe. I think of it like the 4th dimension. We are stuck in a 3d world and can only see the shadow of the 4th dimension (or God). We will probably never be able to see or prove that the 4th dimension exists, but we can still get a glimpse of what God/it is like by studying our 3d world.