(June 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Laws such as gravity are pretty useful for living things. It would be pretty hard to sustain life with things just floating in space.

But wouldn't it be better for us if we could float whenever we wanted? How many people die every year because of falls? Imagine if you could just stop yourself from falling whenever you needed to! Why doesn't this deity give us this capacity?

Quote:Hmm I can't tell you what God was "thinking" when he created the universe, but I would say in no way does that prove that he didn't create it.

It also doesn't prove that the universe wasn't created when an alien named Tim sneezed and the universe came out of his nose.

Quote:I never said I could "prove" God created it. Only that it seems likely based on the nature of the universe.

It seems "likely"? Based on "the nature of the universe"? The nature of the universe is to be incredibly chaotic and dangerous. Black holes, exploding stars, comets and asteroids flying around, meteors crashing into the planet.... This is the place a loving deity would put his most precious creation?

(June 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(June 20, 2012 at 8:49 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Cool, I didn't know that. What website/book did you read this in? I would like to read about it.

4th dimension = time.

Or, it could be a 3D hologram of a two-dimensional information structure "painted" on the cosmological horizon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

(June 21, 2012 at 6:51 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 20, 2012 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm not sure why you gave the verses 29 and 30. You have come closer to seeing what God did create and what God _ _ _ _. Let me say this I'm not concerned about Thor's little bugs in this, the reason they exist came later and for a specific reasons, these bugs may not have even existed before the flood. Now after you quit laughing at me see about filling in the blank, it is in the first chapter of Genesis. Oh, I did read the verses and more than those.

And your evidence for the claim that single celled creatures didn't exist before the flood(another event for which you have no evidence)?

And if you could be so good as to share with the rest of the class you little secret.(just had a look at gen 1 again,still nothing).

I did not say there were no single celled creatures before the flood, I stated there may not have been the deadly ones until after the flood, the four letter word is there in Genesis 1, I did not realize it for years because I was doing the same thing as most people do, assume.

Quote:I stated there may not have been the deadly ones until after the flood,

Keep digging, G-C. After you get through a couple of more miles of shit you may hit the bottom of that cesspool you are in.

(June 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say there were no single celled creatures before the flood, I stated there may not have been the deadly ones until after the flood,

Then where did they come from? Who (or what) created them?

(June 21, 2012 at 12:52 am)cato123 Wrote: Do you have any idea how long ago the '4th vector' was added? Do you know what a vector is or are you just now spouting a word you read in Wikipedia?

You have absolutely no idea who Euclid was/is....do you? Minkowski spacetime....ha ha ha. Don't you recall from secondary school that you could not use an encyclopedia as a direct reference for papers? Encyclopedias are very useful for general knowledge and a means for learning where to find definitive sources, but vomiting Euclid and Minkowski without a mention of Newton and Einstein betrays you.

First of all I have no idea why you seem to be so upset when we are just having a discussion. Second, I don't claim to be a physicist, and I added those terms so people could look them up and understand the basic concepts of what we were talking about. Third, your whole 4th dimension point being discovered is a mute one anyhow. It was simply a metaphor and the principal still applies by just replacing “4th” with 5th, 6th or 7th dimension. If you would like to understand more clearly what I meant this is the concept I was referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

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(June 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm)Thor Wrote:

Quote:I never said I could "prove" God created it. Only that it seems likely based on the nature of the universe.

It seems "likely"? Based on "the nature of the universe"? The nature of the universe is to be incredibly chaotic and dangerous. Black holes, exploding stars, comets and asteroids flying around, meteors crashing into the planet.... This is the place a loving deity would put his most precious creation?

And yet our planet sustains life, and most likely will for the next million years or so. As far as I know we are in no immediate threat of black holes, exploding stars, comets, or asteroids. Maybe God created all that stuff for us to discover, and enable us to learn more about "him" by studying his creation.

(June 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 21, 2012 at 6:51 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And your evidence for the claim that single celled creatures didn't exist before the flood(another event for which you have no evidence)?

And if you could be so good as to share with the rest of the class you little secret.(just had a look at gen 1 again,still nothing).

I did not say there were no single celled creatures before the flood, I stated there may not have been the deadly ones until after the flood,

You mean they..... EVOLVED hock:

Quote: the four letter word is there in Genesis 1, I did not realize it for years because I was doing the same thing as most people do, assume.

Nope, still not seeing it. Put up or shut up.

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(June 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm)Hoc est Corpus Wrote: Maybe God created all that stuff for us to discover, and enable us to learn more about "him" by studying his creation.

He has failed miserably then.

Because we can look into the sub-atomic and into the deepest reaches of space and time.

And we have yet to find the slightest trace of him.

(June 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm)Thor Wrote:

(June 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say there were no single celled creatures before the flood, I stated there may not have been the deadly ones until after the flood,

Then where did they come from? Who (or what) created them?

My view comes from my faith in God as creator, I believe that the harmful ultraviolet light from the sun was blocked until after the flood, with the harmful light coming through after the flood these single celled creatures mutated into deadly ones. This is what's responsible for animals not being able to live long lives.

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(June 23, 2012 at 5:49 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: the four letter word is there in Genesis 1, I did not realize it for years because I was doing the same thing as most people do, assume.

Nope, still not seeing it. Put up or shut up.

MADE

The bible says the earth is flat, we proved it wrong, christians just pretended the bible meant something different, so why can't christians today, just pretend the bible meant something different, and accept the fact that the world was not created 6000 years ago, this friday?

(June 25, 2012 at 2:53 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm)Thor Wrote: Then where did they come from? Who (or what) created them?

My view comes from my faith in God as creator, I believe that the harmful ultraviolet light from the sun was blocked until after the flood, with the harmful light coming through after the flood these single celled creatures mutated into deadly ones. This is what's responsible for animals not being able to live long lives.

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That's nice, any actual evidence to back that claim up?

Or is this just another example of your wishful thinking?

(June 23, 2012 at 5:49 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Nope, still not seeing it. Put up or shut up.

Quote:MADE

And that means what exactly?