(July 7, 2012 at 2:04 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: Still, to blame all atheists for their crimes is just plain absurd. And yet I see/hear it done all the time. It's such a cop-out.

Why not? You blame christianity for what the Nazi's did don't you?

No, you fucking twit, I blame the Nazis for what the Nazis did and I blame the church for being complicit in it. Go away. You're like mind cancer. Not brain cancer; you literally hurt my thoughts every time you post.

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(July 7, 2012 at 2:04 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: How about this: First read about a little something called the Great Purge and THEN come back and talk to me. Oh and while you're at it why don't you read about Trotsky and a bunch of his other critics while you're at it. And the Red Army Massacre, and the deportations. The fact that you don't even know about the famines and the fact that Stalin basically withheld the grain reserves that could have averted it because of his own paranoid delusions about the Ukrainian government basically withholding grainstock pretty much gives away that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, amongst everything else.

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"Copping out" is something the religious do on just about everything, if you think about it.

Well of course. If I were to tell you the sky was green (which obviously isn't true) you'd be able to quickly disprove me for many reasons, at which point I'd have no other option than to act personally offended and hit you with a sweeping, all-encompassing statement.

But of course you probably know that.

All too well, I'm afraid. All too well.

(July 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:04 pm)cratehorus Wrote: Why not? You blame christianity for what the Nazi's did don't you?

No, you fucking twit, I blame the Nazis for what the Nazis did and I blame the church for being complicit in it. Go away. You're like mind cancer. Not brain cancer; you literally hurt my thoughts every time you post.

fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

(July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: No, you fucking twit, I blame the Nazis for what the Nazis did and I blame the church for being complicit in it. Go away. You're like mind cancer. Not brain cancer; you literally hurt my thoughts every time you post.

fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

First off, no I don't blame the christian church for what the nazis did. I blame the nazis. I hope everyone does. And yes, the nazis as a whole did plenty wrong. Everyone below those individuals you spoke of believed in what those individuals said, and those that didn't weren't really nazis.

(July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: No, you fucking twit, I blame the Nazis for what the Nazis did and I blame the church for being complicit in it. Go away. You're like mind cancer. Not brain cancer; you literally hurt my thoughts every time you post.

fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

That's it. You're officially so fucking stupid that I actually feel compelled to ignore you. That never happens. Congratulations; you're officially stupider than most christians who come to this site.

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(July 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)cratehorus Wrote: fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

First off, no I don't blame the christian church for what the nazis did. I blame the nazis. I hope everyone does. And yes, the nazis as a whole did plenty wrong. Everyone below those individuals you spoke of believed in what those individuals said, and those that didn't weren't really nazis.

I wouldn't even bother with this guy. Reason being:

Stalin was one of the most disgusting and evil men in his time period.
He spat on the doctrine of communism and abused every facet of the political structure for his own benefit. He killed Trotsky, a figure that, if he had survived, would have changed the face of communism. We might not even have the negative connotation that comes along with "communist".
Stalin killed Lenin via poison, his avarice ovveriding his adherance to communism's doctrine.

Yeah, not worth the trouble. Bath salts, maybe?

(July 7, 2012 at 2:31 pm)Skepsis Wrote: Stalin was one of the most disgusting and evil men in his time period.
He spat on the doctrine of communism and abused every facet of the political structure for his own benefit. He killed Trotsky, a figure that, if he had survived, would have changed the face of communism. We might not even have the negative connotation that comes along with "communist".
Stalin killed Lenin via poison, his avarice ovveriding his adherance to communism's doctrine.

Lenin bastardized Marx's doctrines on communism but at least he adhered to a good portion of it. Stalin, though... Like you said, if not for him, the negative connotation to communism may have never existed.

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(July 7, 2012 at 2:32 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: Yeah, not worth the trouble. Bath salts, maybe?

(July 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)cratehorus Wrote: fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

First off, no I don't blame the christian church for what the nazis did. I blame the nazis. I hope everyone does. And yes, the nazis as a whole did plenty wrong. Everyone below those individuals you spoke of believed in what those individuals said, and those that didn't weren't really nazis.

I do agree that it's wrong to persecute every person in a religion for one groups actions, for example it's wrong to blame all the world's muslims for 9/11 and suicide bombers, but 9/11 is still an example of religous AND islamic extremism, you can get more specific and say it was sunni, pashtunwali, or wahhabist extremism, but it was inpired by islam, even if you prove Osama, was in fact atheist, all along, it still wouldn't change the fact that those involved were inspired by islam and did it in the name of islam.

I just want to make sure your both claiming that christianity isn't to blame for anything..... any violence or injustice committed in their names.....witch burnings, native americans, crusades, just nothing?.... that isn't what I'm arguing against am I?

(July 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: First off, no I don't blame the christian church for what the nazis did. I blame the nazis. I hope everyone does. And yes, the nazis as a whole did plenty wrong. Everyone below those individuals you spoke of believed in what those individuals said, and those that didn't weren't really nazis.

I do agree that it's wrong to persecute every person in a religion for one groups actions, for example it's wrong to blame all the world's muslims for 9/11 and suicide bombers, but 9/11 is still an example of religous AND islamic extremism, you can get more specific and say it was sunni, pashtunwali, or wahhabist extremism, but it was inpired by islam, even if you prove Osama, was in fact atheist, all along, it still wouldn't change the fact that those involved were inspired by islam and did it in the name of islam.

I just want to make sure your both claiming that christianity isn't to blame for anything..... any violence or injustice committed in their names.....witch burnings, native americans, crusades, just nothing?.... that isn't what I'm arguing against am I?

I think the whole point here wasn't to argue what christianity was responsible for. I think it was just to point out that the actions of dictators can't be blamed on atheism.

(July 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)cratehorus Wrote: fuck you and your brainwashed psycho babble.... your just upset because you have no fucking clue what your talking about.....
why blame the nazi's the nazis as a whole didn't do anything wrong, it was just individuals in the nazis, why not just blame them the individual and stop blaming the nazis as a group they were just being complicit...... stupid fucktard

That's it. You're officially so fucking stupid that I actually feel compelled to ignore you. That never happens. Congratulations; you're officially stupider than most christians who come to this site.

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(July 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: First off, no I don't blame the christian church for what the nazis did. I blame the nazis. I hope everyone does. And yes, the nazis as a whole did plenty wrong. Everyone below those individuals you spoke of believed in what those individuals said, and those that didn't weren't really nazis.

I wouldn't even bother with this guy. Reason being:

oh fuck you dude your lucky i even responded to your pankiller induced unorginal unclever half-retarded fucking rant If you wanna be such a close minded fuck why would post such crap then claim to not want the opinions of anyone?

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(July 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote:

(July 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm)cratehorus Wrote: I do agree that it's wrong to persecute every person in a religion for one groups actions, for example it's wrong to blame all the world's muslims for 9/11 and suicide bombers, but 9/11 is still an example of religous AND islamic extremism, you can get more specific and say it was sunni, pashtunwali, or wahhabist extremism, but it was inpired by islam, even if you prove Osama, was in fact atheist, all along, it still wouldn't change the fact that those involved were inspired by islam and did it in the name of islam.

I just want to make sure your both claiming that christianity isn't to blame for anything..... any violence or injustice committed in their names.....witch burnings, native americans, crusades, just nothing?.... that isn't what I'm arguing against am I?

I think the whole point here wasn't to argue what christianity was responsible for. I think it was just to point out that the actions of dictators can't be blamed on atheism.

how is it any different if it's about theism? If "actions of dictators can't be blamed on atheism" then your also saying "actions of dictators can't be blamed on theism".... then you stated the christianity isn't to blame for the nazi's so essentially your saying christianity cannot be blamed for anything just individuals

So do you blame christianity for anything?