(September 6, 2009 at 9:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion is used to justify atrocities, sure. It's an easy target. It isn't a rational justification.

Which is what we've been saying. Religion has been used as justification for their means for centuries. It obviously isn't rational. You and I both know it, but unfortunately religion is the common denominator.

(September 6, 2009 at 6:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Their beliefs may be skewed in your eyes.
This does not mean they did not do it because of religion.
It might not be your take on christianity or whatever but it was surely theirs.

That could possibly be true if there were different views accepted by Christianity. But Christianity is consistently and completely opposed.

In Islam yes there seems to be the two opposite stances - although I assume without really knowing that those Muslims that say it's contrary to their belief are actually right. But then I think Islam is a corrupt belief system/ it's moral base is unsound.

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(September 6, 2009 at 9:22 am)Retorth Wrote:

(September 6, 2009 at 9:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion is used to justify atrocities, sure. It's an easy target. It isn't a rational justification.

Which is what we've been saying. Religion has been used as justification for their means for centuries. It obviously isn't rational. You and I both know it, but unfortunately religion is the common denominator.

Right. Apologies if I mistook you.

@ EvF: See above.

(September 6, 2009 at 9:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Right. Apologies if I mistook you.

It's all good, my brother

Well, it all comes down to the cherry-picking. Even for literalist fundamentalists.

For instance, on the one hand God says 'thou shalt not kill', but then on the other hand the bible is full of examples to the contrary.

EvF

Cherry picking to you Evie, because you have no idea what Christianity is.

(September 6, 2009 at 12:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Cherry picking to you Evie, because you have no idea what Christianity is.

Just another variation on NTS ... again!

Kyu

You're very warped version of the NTS fallacy Kyu - quite possibly.

(September 6, 2009 at 12:53 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(September 6, 2009 at 12:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Cherry picking to you Evie, because you have no idea what Christianity is.

Just another variation on NTS ... again!

Kyu

Which isn't a definable definition of Christianity.

And fr0d0,

It's NTS because you are saying that if they disagree with you then they're not Christian. Because whether you like it or not, if they believe in Christ and God they are still a Christian, if they see the Bible in a different shade to you - they're still Christian. When I am speaking of different types of Christians cherry-picking different parts, you respond saying that I don't know what Christianity 'is'...yes I do - all these different Christians all believe in God and Christ and they are just cherry picking different bits (I'm referring to my hypothetical example) - and to say that isn't real Christianity is to fall to the NTS fallacy. Why isn't it Christianity? Because they're not like you? That's fallacious. They're just Christians cherry-picking differently. They're still Christians by definition.

EvF

(September 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're very warped version of the NTS fallacy Kyu - quite possibly.

No I don't ... Ev, I've no idea who your remark was aimed at!

Kyu

(September 6, 2009 at 12:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Cherry picking to you Evie, because you have no idea what Christianity is.

Maybe your christianity is good and pure and wouldnt hurt a fly. But it is not christianity as it has been followed for centuries.

The pope calling for religious wars against the heathens.
The spanish inqusition getting real inventive with tortures, which was a good thing because they were saving the tortured peoples souls.
The list goes on and on and on and.....

So why is your brand of christianity suddenly the only kind of christianity that counts?