Drich Wrote:WE LIVE IN A SOCEITY BUILT ON SLAVE LABOR!!! MODERN DAY SLAVES!"

It doesnt matter how loud or how many times you bleat it, you are floating a 1) unsupported-assertion 2) bullshit red herring. The Babble quote isn't referring to indentured servants, it refers to slaves kidnapped and sold, or sold by their parents. against their will. Your god-figure condones this. Your god-figure is a monster. And now you cherry-pick its laws, which you had previously maintained that NO ONE has a right to do.

Way to go.

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(July 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I have nothing to add by way of conversation except to say that's fucked up.

Are you an Old testament Jew? Then who are you to Judge?

I don't know if you been following all of my posts here but I sight an example of modernday slavery. In that I had a friend and where He was from people lined up to sign on to a company who conscibed slaves. They and their familes were made to work till they could no longer meet quotas and then were dismissed. People in this country were in line for years waiting to be called. Why? Because it was Far better than living in cardboard boxes eating from the local (3rd world country/where the poor deposited their dead) landfills.

Now Imagine a time where their was absolutly No regulation on this type of activity, and yet people were selling themselves and their loved family members into a chance of a better life! So yes Bless/Aplaude the efforts of God, and the OT Jews for maintaining this standard in the face of popular morality!

I not some trained monkey who hears or see a morally objectional trigger word and sheepeople my way into conformity. (That is a form of slavery itself) If you think all slavery is bad all the time then shame on you for not understanding people outside of your social class. this is an elitest attitude that needs to stop! Because you people have no issue living a life that is supported by slavery, you just don't want to acknoweledge them or their contrabution to modern soceity.

Quote:I have nothing to add by way of conversation except to say that's fucked up.

Oh, bullshit. What savage, uncivilized, dark age country are you talking about?

What do these VOLUNTARY INDENTURED SERVANTS do that you claim keeps me afloat, that I can’t do without?


And you have constant internet access, and all the money and free time in the world to come troll here for hours and days on end, and what are YOU doing about this situation, if it isn't just another of your lies?

(July 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I have nothing to add by way of conversation except to say that's fucked up.

Are you an Old testament Jew? Then who are you to Judge?

I don't know if you been following all of my posts here but I sight an example of modernday slavery. In that I had a friend and where He was from people lined up to sign on to a company who conscibed slaves. They and their familes were made to work till they could no longer meet quotas and then were dismissed. People in this country were in line for years waiting to be called. Why? Because it was Far better than living in cardboard boxes eating from the local (3rd world country/where the poor deposited their dead) landfills.

Now Imagine a time where their was absolutly No regulation on this type of activity, and yet people were selling themselves and their loved family members into a chance of a better life! So yes Bless/Aplaude the efforts of God, and the OT Jews for maintaining this standard in the face of popular morality!

I not some trained monkey who hears or see a morally objectional trigger word and sheepeople my way into conformity. (That is a form of slavery itself) If you think all slavery is bad all the time then shame on you for not understanding people outside of your social class. this is an elitest attitude that needs to stop! Because you people have no issue living a life that is supported by slavery, you just don't want to acknoweledge them or their contrabution to modern soceity.

Quote:I have nothing to add by way of conversation except to say that's fucked up.

Yes you are a trained monkey, YOUR WORDS NOT MINE.

You think the OT VS the NT doge is new to us? And I already address that stupid fucking dodge.

The abusive spouse.

1. I beat the shit out of you because I love you.
2. I didn't mean it, I wont do it again.
3. Why did you piss me off again, I didn't want to do it again.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE PLOT OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING BIBLE!

The only way someone subjects themselves to this is pure fantasy, like stupid kids who think they know what love is. Love is NOT abusive and is not based on ownership, dominance or threats of punishment or bribes.

"That was the OT god"

There is a HUGE difference between forgiving someone for calling you a jerk, and forgiving them for beating the shit out of you.

That would be like giving a serial killer a pass because he promised not to do it again.

You think I am being mean to you, NO, this bluntness and blasphemy is cold water on your face in hopes that you will wake up to what you needlessly subject yourself to.

Making excuses for ANY, bad claim is unfortunately what humans default to, EVEN when the logic sucks. It is why the Egyptians thought the sun was a god, and why most humans at one time thought the earth was flat.

HOW, please how you would find it moral to watch someone get beat up, not because they physically attacked you, but merely because they didn't do what you wanted, or simply didn't want to hang out with you?

PLEASE tell me how that concept is moral, and "I wont do it again" is bullshit because in part 3 he goes right back to bloodthirsty revenge.

So since we are not OT jews, all the rest of the bullshit the OT fairytale monster says in Genesis 20-21 DOES NOT APPLY to us. That's Great News, Drich, and now you can happily go FUCK OFF, as you have totally undermined and destroyed everything you have been trolling here and elsewhere the whole time.

That sucking sound is your entire bullshit theology flushing itself down the shitter.

And good riddance.

(July 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Oh, so NOW your fairytale monster's law only applies to OT Jews and not everyone else?

Quote:Congratulations , idiot. You have just destroyed your entire charade here, kit and kaboodle. You have stubbornly maintained the primacy and inerrancy of your fairytale monster's law (meaning, really, of those OT jews who invented it), and now you cherry pick it and claim it only applies to OT jews.

Really?!?! After all you have said and done you do not undstand the Bible is one book containing the laws and accounts of two seperate faiths? You can be serious? have you not read Anything I have written to you ever on this website or the last?

Quote:Well done. You have revealed yourself for the colossal hypocrite we all knew and have been telling you that you are. Bravo.

please pretend you are me and I am you and explain to me line by line my hyprocrisy.

Quote:And who are you to cherry pick YOUR fairytale monster's law?

You do know the OT Judaism, is world apart from NT Christianity do you not?

Quote:You have maintained ad nauseum that your gawd's law is non-negotiable. Now you destroy yourself.

The law is divided into 3 aspects. The Cermonial law which governs the sacerfices and temple practices of the Jewish people. The Cival law. These laws concern trade, living arangements, dispute resolution, the establishment and running of their courts, credit, intrest, and the laws concerning Slavery. And the Moral law. The moral law is the only aspect of the law Christ and the Apstoles taught and brought over to Christianity. The rest of the law was maintain by OT Jews. (until 70ad when the temple was destroyed) For even now the Jewish people do not adhear to most of these OT laws.

Quote:And if a you say, Genesis 21 only applies to OT jews, then SO DOES GENESIS 20. And THAT is your precious 10 commandments.

How is it you do not understand Christianity has found a righteousness apart from the law? Apart from the 10 commandments?

Quote: Your story has your god laying down all this horseshit about slavery IN THE SAME BREATH as your absolute foundational tenets, with no separation or delineation between the two. I cannot stress enought how badly you have torpedoed yourself here.

Because you have constructed you own idea of what christianity is apart from biblical Christianity. In your version there is contradiction. However in God's version what you see as contradiction was the purpose of Christ being nailed to the cross.

The OT was to establish the Rule and consenquence of God's law. Everything Christ did for Christianity was to seperate us from that particular effort in trying to establish righteousness.

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(July 13, 2012 at 4:35 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Drich Wrote: Not all slavery is bad all of the Time!!!!!!!!![b] WE LIVE IN A SOCEITY BUILT ON SLAVE LABOR!!! MODERN DAY SLAVES!

Not *all* slavery is bad *all* of the time? Which forms of slavery do you find to be acceptable? At which time is slavery anything other than an immoral pursuit to gain dominance over an unwilling human being?
It is true that forms of slavery still exist but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who says they're not all disgraceful.
Explain yourself.

I have explained this at least 6 or 7 times now. Go back and READ what has been already written. Matter of Fact READ the post you took this quote from.

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(July 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: It doesnt matter how loud or how many times you bleat it, you are floating a 1) unsupported-assertion 2) bullshit red herring. The Babble quote isn't referring to indentured servants, it refers to slaves kidnapped and sold, or sold by their parents. against their will. Your god-figure condones this. Your god-figure is a monster. And now you cherry-pick its laws, which you had previously maintained that NO ONE has a right to do.

This makes my stomach turn. This is you trying to minimize your accepted involvement in purchasing goods produced by modern day slaves, thus fueling the cycle. So rather than accept your own guilt you have denied these people their work, their efforts and contrabutions to modern soceity for the sake of being able to maintain plausable denyablity? For what ? so that awareness is not raised and you might have to spend a few dollars more to but leather goods, textiles, car parts, or technology or the like? You are the monster for ignoring your own partisipation in modern slavery just so you may maintain your air of smug superiority, and cheap consumer goods.

Quote:What do these VOLUNTARY INDENTURED SERVANTS do that you claim keeps me afloat, that I can’t do without?

Seriously?!?!?

They make car parts, bus parts, the cast and smelt the raw materials that we put into EVERYTHING! For example The Lithium ion batteries that the whole world uses are all made in one of three factories in China. Even if slaves are not assembling the batteries in the actual factory they are in the lithium mines, and they are apart of the refining process and so on down the line.(the people who supply the materials to make refining possiable) If you are completely unaware Lithium is the power supply from everything from the selfrighteous hybrid car people drive, to lap tops top, pace makers, satelites, Ipads, to Every cell phone made in the last 10 years to now even power tools and childrens toys. textiles or fabrics from India (Home of some of the finest silks, cotton, exotic wools, leathers, in the world.) So all of your high end clothing, Basiclly every 3rd world country in production of anything, or any First world country sourcing parts from third world countries to assemble larger products. Anything from (Mexico, China, Taiwan, Korea, the list goes on.) This world our 'western' soceity, the life style you enjoy would stop if all SLAVES were freed. Economies would crumble our western nations would collapse. Because we have built a life on cheap/free labor. not to mention all of the people in the energy rich countries we exploit..

Quote: And you have constant internet access, and all the money and free time in the world to come troll here for hours and days on end, and what are YOU doing about this situation, if it isn't just another of your lies?

Why should I do anything? I am the one saying over and over not all slavery is bad all of the time. You have confused your 'morality' with righteousness again...

The thing is when you see slavery for what it truly is rather than only seeing a barefoot black man chain in a field picking cotton. you begin to see the slavery we each sell ourselves to. Making this whole life one big slave market. the only difference is i no longer need the illusion that i am free. Because of this It allows me the freedom to worship, love and live with in the boundries of my station in life. I know my place, and it is as a slave to the life i have built and the God that i serve. Because i serve others i have no qualms to have others serve and provide for me.

You on the other hand have a desision to make. Do you go off grid because of your stance on slavery, do you strike out against popular morality, and change your stance on all slavery, or do you lie to yourself and pretend I do not know what i am talking about so you can continue to benefit from slave labor, and still maintain your self righteous philosphy perserving your Master: Popular morality?

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(July 13, 2012 at 4:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Are you an Old testament Jew? Then who are you to Judge?

I don't know if you been following all of my posts here but I sight an example of modernday slavery. In that I had a friend and where He was from people lined up to sign on to a company who conscibed slaves. They and their familes were made to work till they could no longer meet quotas and then were dismissed. People in this country were in line for years waiting to be called. Why? Because it was Far better than living in cardboard boxes eating from the local (3rd world country/where the poor deposited their dead) landfills.

Now Imagine a time where their was absolutly No regulation on this type of activity, and yet people were selling themselves and their loved family members into a chance of a better life! So yes Bless/Aplaude the efforts of God, and the OT Jews for maintaining this standard in the face of popular morality!

I not some trained monkey who hears or see a morally objectional trigger word and sheepeople my way into conformity. (That is a form of slavery itself) If you think all slavery is bad all the time then shame on you for not understanding people outside of your social class. this is an elitest attitude that needs to stop! Because you people have no issue living a life that is supported by slavery, you just don't want to acknoweledge them or their contrabution to modern soceity.

Yes you are a trained monkey, YOUR WORDS NOT MINE.

You think the OT VS the NT doge is new to us? And I already address that stupid fucking dodge.

The abusive spouse.

1. I beat the shit out of you because I love you.
2. I didn't mean it, I wont do it again.
3. Why did you piss me off again, I didn't want to do it again.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE PLOT OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING BIBLE!

The only way someone subjects themselves to this is pure fantasy, like stupid kids who think they know what love is. Love is NOT abusive and is not based on ownership, dominance or threats of punishment or bribes.

"That was the OT god"

There is a HUGE difference between forgiving someone for calling you a jerk, and forgiving them for beating the shit out of you.

That would be like giving a serial killer a pass because he promised not to do it again.

You think I am being mean to you, NO, this bluntness and blasphemy is cold water on your face in hopes that you will wake up to what you needlessly subject yourself to.

Making excuses for ANY, bad claim is unfortunately what humans default to, EVEN when the logic sucks. It is why the Egyptians thought the sun was a god, and why most humans at one time thought the earth was flat.

HOW, please how you would find it moral to watch someone get beat up, not because they physically attacked you, but merely because they didn't do what you wanted, or simply didn't want to hang out with you?

PLEASE tell me how that concept is moral, and "I wont do it again" is bullshit because in part 3 he goes right back to bloodthirsty revenge.

What are you even talking about? Nothing you mentioned is a command. They are allowances. No one has been commanded to beat their wife nor and anyone been commanded to sell or buy slaves... These are the guidelines if one were to do such a thing in that time. How does ANY of what you said apply to now?

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(July 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: So since we are not OT jews, all the rest of the bullshit the OT fairytale monster says in Genesis 20-21 DOES NOT APPLY to us.

i love it when you people think you know more about a religion than someone who has spent 20 years studing and practing it. It's call Christianity, and not Judism. therefore it would stand to reason their would be a few differences between the two faiths." to say their is no difference is to be ignorant of both religions.

D-reck. Your new testament bases its presumed authority on the supposed prophesies of the OT. And the claimed "resurrection" is entirely dependent on the notion of original sin from the OT. Without it your hero's mythical sacrifice becomes pointless. You cannot separate the two.

Your description of the "improvements" of the OT basically is that your hero's purpose was to undermine your idol. Good job.

Again you are equivocating slaves and indentured servants, if those even exist. And your claim that our society would fall without low-wage workers is pure bullshit. We were just fine before greedy corporations moved manufacturing overseas and now its actually coming back, but that is still an irrelevant red herring.

Quote:How is it you do not understand Christianity has found a righteousness apart from the law? Apart from the 10 commandments?

How is it that you do not understand your own hypocrisy in claiming an "immutable, inescapable" law out of one side of your mouth and cherry-picking it out of the other?

(July 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: D-reck. Your new testament bases its presumed authority on the supposed prophesies of the OT. And the claimed "resurrection" is entirely dependent on the notion of original sin from the OT. Without it your hero's mythical sacrifice becomes pointless. You cannot separate the two.

I don't have to seperate anything. Christ's sacerfice does that. something He points to in His ministry,and the minstries of all of the Apstoles. If there wasn't a seperation then we would not be Christian we would be OT Jews.

Quote:Your description of the "improvements" of the OT basically is that your hero's purpose was to undermine your idol. Good job.

I do not know what you are calling an 'improvement' of mine.

Quote:Again you are equivocating slaves and indentured servants, if those even exist.

Because the bible identifies "indentured servants" as Slaves! The biblical defination lumps all servants into this catagory. That is why I can say not ALL Slavery Is Always Bad All Of the Time!

Quote:And your claim that our society would fall without low-wage workers is pure bullshit. We were just fine before greedy corporations moved manufacturing overseas and now its actually coming back, but that is still an irrelevant red herring.

I am not even going to argue this ignorant/eletist response. I will say, take off the blinders and do you own research.

Quote:How is it that you do not understand your own hypocrisy in claiming an "immutable, inescapable" law out of one side of your mouth and cherry-picking it out of the other?

It's basic Christianity 101. The Law (According to Christ) in it's complete form is not an avenue in which righteousness can be obtained. Paul in Romans 7 (the whole chapter) explains the new way Righteousness is to be found by the Christian.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV


Which BTW seperates OT Judasim and NT Christianity.

(July 14, 2012 at 7:57 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: D-reck. Your new testament bases its presumed authority on the supposed prophesies of the OT. And the claimed "resurrection" is entirely dependent on the notion of original sin from the OT. Without it your hero's mythical sacrifice becomes pointless. You cannot separate the two.

I don't have to seperate anything. Christ's sacerfice does that. something He points to in His ministry,and the minstries of all of the Apstoles. If there wasn't a seperation then we would not be Christian we would be OT Jews.

Way to cherry-pick.

Quote:

Quote:Your description of the "improvements" of the OT basically is that your hero's purpose was to undermine your idol. Good job.

I do not know what you are calling an 'improvement' of mine.

Didn't say yours.

Quote:

Quote:Again you are equivocating slaves and indentured servants, if those even exist.

Because the bible identifies "indentured servants" as Slaves! The biblical defination lumps all servants into this catagory. That is why I can say not ALL Slavery Is Always Bad All Of the Time!

Your fairy tale monster approves of men selling their daughters into slavery. SAME FAIRY TALE MONSTER AS THE NT FAIRY TALE MONSTER.

Quote:

Quote:And your claim that our society would fall without low-wage workers is pure bullshit. We were just fine before greedy corporations moved manufacturing overseas and now its actually coming back, but that is still an irrelevant red herring.

I am not even going to argue this ignorant/eletist response. I will say, take off the blinders and do you own research.

So you are done stinking up the forum with that red herring. Good.

Quote:

Quote:How is it that you do not understand your own hypocrisy in claiming an "immutable, inescapable" law out of one side of your mouth and cherry-picking it out of the other?

It's basic Christianity 101. The Law (According to Christ) in it's complete form is not an avenue in which righteousness can be obtained. Paul in Romans 7 (the whole chapter) explains the new way Righteousness is to be found by the Christian.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV
Which BTW seperates OT Judasim and NT Christianity.

Same god-figure in both versions of the fairy tale. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your fairy tale god is a scumbag. And you have destroyed your own position.

(July 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Same god-figure in both versions of the fairy tale. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your fairy tale god is a scumbag. And you have destroyed your own position.

Do You still not undstand the basics of Christianity?
Or are you just trying desperatly to get the last word in? If you want the last word then you may have it. If you still having trouble with the Most basic of all Christian distinctives then simply ask for me to explain it.

For if their were any differences between OT Judaism and NT Christianity we would be OT Jews.

(July 14, 2012 at 11:12 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Same god-figure in both versions of the fairy tale. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your fairy tale god is a scumbag. And you have destroyed your own position.

Do You still not undstand the basics of Christianity?
Or are you just trying desperatly to get the last word in? If you want the last word then you may have it. If you still having trouble with the Most basic of all Christian distinctives then simply ask for me to explain it.

For if their were any differences between OT Judaism and NT Christianity we would be OT Jews.

nobody understands the basics of christianity....except for maybe these OT Jews I keep hearing about.....

(July 14, 2012 at 11:12 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Same god-figure in both versions of the fairy tale. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your fairy tale god is a scumbag. And you have destroyed your own position.

Do You still not undstand the basics of Christianity?

I understand quite well, fuck you very much.

Quote:Or are you just trying desperatly to get the last word in?

Nothing desperate at all. I'm enjoying shredding you.

Quote: If you want the last word then you may have it. If you still having trouble with the Most basic of all Christian distinctives then simply ask for me to explain it.

You can't even handle the basics of spelling and grammar, kid.

Quote:For if their were any differences between OT Judaism and NT Christianity we would be OT Jews.

That would be "there". I didn't say judaism vs xtardism. Same fairy tale god-monster. The one who gives instructions for fathers who sell their daughters into slavery.