We can cherrypick? Oh wow - I'm off to stone me some mixed-fabric-wearing, public-praying, jewellery-adorned cheeseburger eaters!

(August 1, 2012 at 2:13 am)catfish Wrote:

(August 1, 2012 at 1:46 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: If I wanted to stone my nephews when they misbehave I could, according to the Bible. I don't even have to twist words to come to that conclusion, thats what it says:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear"
Leviticus 20:9
"For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him"

Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?

Is that supposed to be God's law there?

No, thats the book your religion is based on.

Do not dodge the question again;
"Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?"

There are verses in the Bible that support a universalist interpretation. I wish anyone convinced of that good luck in convincing other Christians. Eternal torment is a contemptible doctrine, and both Christians and everyone around them wil be better off if it is jettisoned.

(July 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm)catfish Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 6:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Paul is telling Timothy that he will encounter those who will seek false doctrine to fit their life style. He is also telling him that they will find teachers who will cater to them, not to be discourage because some will leave the faith.
You need to learn what scriptures are saying.


The word Hades is the Greek word for hell and nothing more. Peter never intended to put Greek myths into scriptures.


Why are you using a book and verses that are about the sorrows of exile, this has nothing to do with hell, it is a statement about earthly punishment not eternal. You sir are a cherry picker of the most desperately unknowledged.

I'm just curious GC. Did the holy ghost teach you all of this?
You know, embrace pagan ideals and holidays, human sacrifice, non-forgiveness, sunday worship (on the pagan sun-god's day?), fear-mongering, etc.....

You're telling me what I believe, that's laughable, tell me sir what is the original Sabbath commandment. I embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect and love, yes the Holy Spirit is my teacher, when I read scripture I ask for His guidance. If you want to do a comparative let's look at you and the language you are using, your attitude stinks too. Last but not least you can not even defend your position whatever that may be, we don't know you are to much of a coward to tell us.

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(August 1, 2012 at 3:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There are verses in the Bible that support a universalist interpretation. I wish anyone convinced of that good luck in convincing other Christians. Eternal torment is a contemptible doctrine, and both Christians and everyone around them wil be better off if it is jettisoned.

Jettison the truth, that seems to be the popular thing to do in this day and time. No one wants to face the truth if it does not fit their lives, and truth is truth no matter what one wants to believe, you can not change truth, all you can do is ignore it or call it something it's not.

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(August 1, 2012 at 1:46 am)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(August 1, 2012 at 1:44 am)catfish Wrote:

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No you wouldn't, I kill you with one fucking line.

"I don't take the Bible litterally, do you?" End of fucking story, checkmate.

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Thank you for confirming what I already suspected.
Oh and no, no its not the end by a long chalk. You've just marked the beginning.

What do you believe then?
Knowing the Bible cannot be taken literally and could be interpreted every which way how do you define your beliefs based upon it?
Couldn't you believe more or less what you want by carefully choosing and manipulating select quotes to mean what you want?

If I wanted to stone my nephews when they misbehave I could, according to the Bible. I don't even have to twist words to come to that conclusion, thats what it says:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear"
Leviticus 20:9
"For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him"

Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?

That's what I've said about him, a cherry picker of the first order, he's not smart enough to pick verses remotely related to a subject.
How many times do I have to explain Deut. 21:18-21, this has nothing to do with small children, the children it speaks of are grown (adults) of that time. Just as you are the child of your parents, no matter how old you get, you will always be their child.

(August 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm)catfish Wrote: I'm just curious GC. Did the holy ghost teach you all of this?
You know, embrace pagan ideals and holidays, human sacrifice, non-forgiveness, sunday worship (on the pagan sun-god's day?), fear-mongering, etc.....

You're telling me what I believe, that's laughable, tell me sir what is the original Sabbath commandment. I embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect and love, yes the Holy Spirit is my teacher, when I read scripture I ask for His guidance. If you want to do a comparative let's look at you and the language you are using, your attitude stinks too. Last but not least you can not even defend your position whatever that may be, we don't know you are to much of a coward to tell us.

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(August 1, 2012 at 3:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There are verses in the Bible that support a universalist interpretation. I wish anyone convinced of that good luck in convincing other Christians. Eternal torment is a contemptible doctrine, and both Christians and everyone around them wil be better off if it is jettisoned.

Jettison the truth, that seems to be the popular thing to do in this day and time. No one wants to face the truth if it does not fit their lives, and truth is truth no matter what one wants to believe, you can not change truth, all you can do is ignore it or call it something it's not.

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(August 1, 2012 at 1:46 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Thank you for confirming what I already suspected.
Oh and no, no its not the end by a long chalk. You've just marked the beginning.

What do you believe then?
Knowing the Bible cannot be taken literally and could be interpreted every which way how do you define your beliefs based upon it?
Couldn't you believe more or less what you want by carefully choosing and manipulating select quotes to mean what you want?

If I wanted to stone my nephews when they misbehave I could, according to the Bible. I don't even have to twist words to come to that conclusion, thats what it says:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear"
Leviticus 20:9
"For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him"

Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?

That's what I've said about him, a cherry picker of the first order, he's not smart enough to pick verses remotely related to a subject.
How many times do I have to explain Deut. 21:18-21, this has nothing to do with small children, the children it speaks of are grown (adults) of that time. Just as you are the child of your parents, no matter how old you get, you will always be their child.

You cherry pick too, every theist of every sect thinks they have a tin foil hat communicator with the big guy upstairs. Quoting the bible is as impressive to me as quoting the Koran or Jewish texts.

"You're not reading it right" for any Muslim, Jew, Christian, or any damned religion with a holy text miss that all those books are are books of myth.

When a Christian argues with another Christian, or Christian argues with a Muslim, or a Jew argues with a Christian, I feel like I am at a si fi convention where a Star Wars fan is arguing with a Star Trek fan over their characters quotes and powers.

So you can quote a book, big deal. If I quote Harry Potter does that mean little boys can fly around on brooms?

This thread reminds me of this rather famous song, Life On Mars. See if you can guess why. :-)

Hey GC

I do not embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect or love, and the Holy Spirit is nothing more than fantasy bullshit, when I read scripture I do so to understand how and why it has shaped our various cultures and what motivations may have compelled us to adopt these beliefs -which, it bears mention- are generally speaking the beliefs of others. If you want to do a comparative let's look at you and the language you are using, your attitude stinks too. Last but not least you can not even defend your position, though you clearly have no problem telling us what that is, chiefly that a lot of people who disagree with you are going to hell.

How did I do?

(August 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm)catfish Wrote: I'm just curious GC. Did the holy ghost teach you all of this?
You know, embrace pagan ideals and holidays, human sacrifice, non-forgiveness, sunday worship (on the pagan sun-god's day?), fear-mongering, etc.....

You're telling me what I believe, that's laughable, tell me sir what is the original Sabbath commandment. I embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect and love, yes the Holy Spirit is my teacher, when I read scripture I ask for His guidance. If you want to do a comparative let's look at you and the language you are using, your attitude stinks too. Last but not least you can not even defend your position whatever that may be, we don't know you are to much of a coward to tell us.

I'm not telling you what you believe, I'm asking what you believe.

Here's a couple of fill in the blank questions:

Yeshua came to save the ________.
God's will is that ___ men be saved.

(August 2, 2012 at 1:52 am)catfish Wrote:

(August 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're telling me what I believe, that's laughable, tell me sir what is the original Sabbath commandment. I embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect and love, yes the Holy Spirit is my teacher, when I read scripture I ask for His guidance. If you want to do a comparative let's look at you and the language you are using, your attitude stinks too. Last but not least you can not even defend your position whatever that may be, we don't know you are to much of a coward to tell us.

I'm not telling you what you believe, I'm asking what you believe.

(August 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(August 1, 2012 at 2:13 am)catfish Wrote: Is that supposed to be God's law there?

No, thats the book your religion is based on.

Do not dodge the question again;
"Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?"

If you don't answer a similar line of questioning when I ask it why should he answer yours?

(August 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(August 2, 2012 at 1:52 am)catfish Wrote: I'm not telling you what you believe, I'm asking what you believe.

(August 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: No, thats the book your religion is based on.

Do not dodge the question again;
"Whats to stop you believing and doing what you want?"

If you don't answer a similar line of questioning when I ask it why should he answer yours?

Because you've shown no ability to have a discussion in a civil manner and you have refused to answer my questions as well.
You continue to assert what I believe from your own delusional mind.
You're basically a tool...

Besides, I already told you I will leave you guessing as to what exactly I believe.