Damn, you're quite right; sorry Lion, of course I meant catfish. Please bear in mind that it was after 4am when I wrote that and I got my 'kinds' mixed up. Let's just call it a mutation and leave it at that, ok?

Remember you ask.

(August 22, 2012 at 10:49 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm just wondering why sometimes during discussion between an atheist and theist there is a claim x made by the atheist with backing evidence y but the theist won't accept it. Before we all jump the gun here I think it's important to acknowledge that there's different situations of this happening. Sometimes it's an outright fact like e.g. Mark not containing verses 16:9-20 but other times it can be a little more ambiguous.

Anyways, the feedback I'm after (from theists) is to do with my argumentation style in general. Why don't you accept the arguments presented? Am I going about it wrong? Am I simply not logical or missing something out everytime? I feel like at times there's no traction between our arguments. Or is it simply that you must avoid the heartbraking truth at all costs?

Maybe it's not me. Maybe it's just how faith works. It doesn't matter how grim the situation looks, faith magically 'fixes' what can be shown to not be true.

I hope this sort of made sense. I'm about to go to bed and pretty much half asleep already...

In the case of Mark 16, Most Christians understand that whether the orginal letter continued past verse 9 or not, is not our concern. Our concern ends with the cannon of scripture as presented. Not what it could, should, or as some hoped for it to be. God tells us in several different ways that we are responsiable only for what He has given us. Not for a complete understanding of a given version of Christianity. What He has seen fit to give us, in the way of the bible More over Mark 16, we are responsiable for. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your problem or rather your attacks on christianity seem to be based on the idea that thier is only one way to worship God. and that one way, can only be based in a given religious expression/version of Christianity. Your efforts seem to focous on undermining the church and the Legialistic aspects of corporate worship. (Jesus and Paul have already beat you to the punch on this point, and condemned this type of worship.) Which is the reason your arguements fail to 'upset' Christians who have not based their faiths in legalistic worship. Based Christianity is not the religion you think it to be. Or rather the religion you have been attacking. Biblically based Christianity is the freedom to Worship God anyway one's ablities will allow. That is why if your arguements do not apply to a given persons way of worship it can be easily dismissed no matter what silver bullet/faith breaking 'fact' you think you have found.

The problem you are having is that you have distorted Christianity in you own heart/mind away from biblical Christianity. This may allow you to easily construct arguements that may destroy your version of christianity, but does not even begin to scratch a faith built upon scripture.
In the end the only one you are tripping up is yourself. Because in your own mind/world you have built a case based on reason and logic, but have unleashed on a straw man version of Christianity rather than addressing the points of biblically based Christian Faith. In essence You have "fallen to" the wrong "reasons".

(August 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh, and PS: if your maths really is as bad as you claim, please never apply for a job involving handling my money..!

Like I said, arguing from ignorance...

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(August 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)cato123 Wrote: If the Bible doesn't mean what it says, the what exactly does 'study' mean? Would it help if I read it from right to left?

Yes, that's the way Hebrew is written.

(August 24, 2012 at 8:57 pm)catfish Wrote:

(August 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh, and PS: if your maths really is as bad as you claim, please never apply for a job involving handling my money..!

Like I said, arguing from ignorance...

Do you not understand the concept of humour? Or are you so up your own arse you think everyone else stinks of shit?

Yes, I am losing patience with you.

(August 24, 2012 at 9:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Do you not understand the concept of humour? Or are you so up your own arse you think everyone else stinks of shit?

Yes, I am losing patience with you.

eww, I'm scared... Internet thug gonna try and man up on me.

1st, I never claimed my math was bad.
2nd, prove me wrong if you think you can.

Internet thug? Moi?

Go away, crybaby. Maybe learn how to spell the word "maths". Twat.

(August 22, 2012 at 10:49 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Maybe it's just how faith works. It doesn't matter how grim the situation looks, faith magically 'fixes' what can be shown to not be true.

This is true. Faith does that. Even you show clear logical errors or contradictions in a holy book, most believers will continue believing.

Dude, you shouldn't drink and post... Just sayin...

(August 24, 2012 at 8:57 pm)catfish Wrote: Yes, that's the way Hebrew is written.

But, not Greek.

(August 25, 2012 at 12:57 am)cato123 Wrote:

(August 24, 2012 at 8:57 pm)catfish Wrote: Yes, that's the way Hebrew is written.

But, not Greek.

Are you claiming to know what the NT was written in when there are zero surviving original texts?