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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:17 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 4:14 pm)idunno Wrote: Then He would know you chose death Rythm!
Then I didn't actually choose it, it was just a consequence of a predetermined timeline. Oh well.
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Haha, oh dear.
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:19 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm)Haydn Wrote: Free will ... another one of those illusions of life. This i can get my head around , but then why did we even evolve to be self-aware, is this even necessary? Or perhaps just a by-product that comes with certain intelligence.
My belief.
Everything is aware to some degree. Free will is part of the awareness 'syndrome' that we suffer from and is nothing more than the 'mind' attempting to explain perception.
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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Oh dear what amigo? Are you going to elaborate upon that, or will it be yet another problem for which you attempt to leverage an argument in favor of evasion? Bud, in the end, if you feel that what you've offered is good enough for you, and it serves whatever purpose you've assigned to it, thats okay. If it works for you, it works for you, and that's okay. It doesn't work for me.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:28 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Oh dear what amigo? Are you going to elaborate upon that, or will it be yet another problem for which you attempt to leverage an argument in favor of evasion? Bud, in the end, if you feel that what you've offered is good enough for you, and it serves whatever purpose you've assigned to it, thats okay. If it works for you, it works for you, and that's okay. It doesn't work for me.
It's not a Christian invention though, its a philosophical concept. Early on on this thread others were trying to define free will in such a way that necessities the capacity to choose the alternative. It's a common idea of free will, but as has been stated popular doesn't mean right.
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:31 pm
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(September 3, 2012 at 4:28 pm)idunno Wrote: It's not a Christian invention though, its a philosophical concept. And?
Quote:Early on on this thread others were trying to define free will in such a way that necessities the capacity to choose the alternative.
Probably because that's the common perception of it, that may, I grant you, be in error. One of the amusing things in this, is that you are attempting to define away what free will has been so commonly accepted to be while retaining the words "free will". It's a dodge, sorry, but that's what it is.
Quote:It's a common idea of free will, but as has been stated popular doesn't mean right.
No, definitely doesn't, but it absolutely has to be right for certain christian myths to be functional. I find it amusing that someone would argue for a "free will" that can't even choose between A and B (of course you haven't, just a couple of posts ago you argued for an a or b choice - in spite of yourself).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Clarifying. Not switching there. My point is this work, with counterexamples that is, is not something Christians have invented as a get out of jail free card. Appealing to the common man's understanding of a complicated concept such as free will is not a good route to go.
Again, you will only choose either A or B, between A and B. You can't choose both. Whatever you choose is what He foreknows.
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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Could you have chosen the opposite of what he knew in advance?
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:47 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 4:19 pm)IATIA Wrote: My belief.
Everything is aware to some degree. Free will is part of the awareness 'syndrome' that we suffer from and is nothing more than the 'mind' attempting to explain perception.
So could we then , create a computer powerful enough to share this illusion with us , or perhaps it has already happened but we just don't know it yet?
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RE: How Free Will and Omniscience Works
September 3, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2012 at 4:58 pm by idunno.)
Nope. Why is this problematic in light of the doctoral dissertation that is this thread? :p
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