Like I said. Grene is basically just one of us. He just doesn't know it yet.

Gooble gobble gooble gobble, one of us, one of us, we accept as one of us, gooble gobble, gooble gobble...

(September 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(September 19, 2012 at 11:44 am)greneknight Wrote: Religion doesn't have to be superstitious. That's my point all along.

That's fine and everything, but if you reject the superstitious aspects of the religion, what does the title 'Christian' mean? What is the difference between a Christian, going by your definition, and an atheist?

Perhaps he's too much of a coward to admit he's an atheist.

(September 19, 2012 at 9:47 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(September 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm)TaraJo Wrote: That's fine and everything, but if you reject the superstitious aspects of the religion, what does the title 'Christian' mean? What is the difference between a Christian, going by your definition, and an atheist?

Perhaps he's too much of a coward to admit he's an atheist.

Wow, a Christian finally saying you have to have balls to become an atheist! Goes against what they normally say ["Atheists are cowards!"]. But hey, looks like some actually get it.

Nuh-nuh. He ain't one of mine. (or yours)



The amount of cognitive dissonance required to believe oneself Christian, yet not believe the things which make a Christian a Christian, is scary.

It's like standing inside the fence next to them big-ass power transformers. All your hair is standing on end, and one false move and there'll be a whole mess of man-made lightning, and a little mess of you.

I can readily picture Grene in a belltower, squeezing off bursts on a semi-automatic rifle at a bunch of shit scared college students.

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“Those who can believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities.” — borrowing from Voltaire (property is theft!)

“No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.”

“If we submit everything to reason, our religion will have no mysterious and supernatural element. If we offend the principles of reason, our religion will be absurd and ridiculous.”
— Blaise Pascal, Pensees

“If I saw no signs of a divinity, I would fix myself in denial. If I saw everywhere the marks of a Creator, I would repose peacefully in faith. But seeing too much to deny Him, and too little to assure me, I am in a pitiful state...”
— Blaise Pascal, Pensees

(September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: This image sums up, in entirety, the problem we atheists have when we try to have logical conversations with you:

You simply won't.

Water is 11.19% hydrogen and 88.81% oxygen...

(September 19, 2012 at 9:53 am)greneknight Wrote: So, do you find it threatening if it's nothing? Why do people oppose me?

Because the problem is religion. Regardless of it's source or intentions, ultimately it will attempt to rule lives and governments and societies and schools with their "holier than thou", unchanging, outdated values and reprehensible morals.

I really could not care less if someone wants to worship a god or figurehead or whatever. The problem is that it always becomes a religion. I care when they decide that their values should have seniority over sociological common sense and values.

(September 20, 2012 at 10:50 pm)catfish Wrote:

(September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: This image sums up, in entirety, the problem we atheists have when we try to have logical conversations with you:

You simply won't.

Water is 11.19% hydrogen and 88.81% oxygen...

By mass sure, but it's 2 hydrogen atoms for every oxygen atom...

(September 20, 2012 at 7:36 am)apophenia Wrote:


Nuh-nuh. He ain't one of mine. (or yours)



The amount of cognitive dissonance required to believe oneself Christian, yet not believe the things which make a Christian a Christian, is scary.

It's like standing inside the fence next to them big-ass power transformers. All your hair is standing on end, and one false move and there'll be a whole mess of man-made lightning, and a little mess of you.

I can readily picture Grene in a belltower, squeezing off bursts on a semi-automatic rifle at a bunch of shit scared college students.

What about you? Do you claim to be an atheist, a Hindu or a Taoist or a combination of these? You're a fine one to talk about cognitive dissonance. Perhaps, you do see yourself doing all that in a belltower? You're scary. You speak like you've been through it or might very well go through it.

(September 21, 2012 at 4:23 am)greneknight Wrote:

(September 20, 2012 at 7:36 am)apophenia Wrote:


Nuh-nuh. He ain't one of mine. (or yours)



The amount of cognitive dissonance required to believe oneself Christian, yet not believe the things which make a Christian a Christian, is scary.

It's like standing inside the fence next to them big-ass power transformers. All your hair is standing on end, and one false move and there'll be a whole mess of man-made lightning, and a little mess of you.

I can readily picture Grene in a belltower, squeezing off bursts on a semi-automatic rifle at a bunch of shit scared college students.

What about you? Do you claim to be an atheist, a Hindu or a Taoist or a combination of these? You're a fine one to talk about cognitive dissonance. Perhaps, you do see yourself doing all that in a belltower? You're scary. You speak like you've been through it or might very well go through it.

Seeming as Hinduism and Taoism can be atheist religions, there is nothing stopping her being all 3. Christianity, however, has no atheist option.

(September 21, 2012 at 4:48 am)Tobie Wrote:

(September 21, 2012 at 4:23 am)greneknight Wrote: What about you? Do you claim to be an atheist, a Hindu or a Taoist or a combination of these? You're a fine one to talk about cognitive dissonance. Perhaps, you do see yourself doing all that in a belltower? You're scary. You speak like you've been through it or might very well go through it.

Seeming as Hinduism and Taoism can be atheist religions, there is nothing stopping her being all 3. Christianity, however, has no atheist option.

And why would Hinduism be atheistic? What happened to Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu? What about the Taoist gods and goddesses? How does one read these gods and goddesses? Would apophenia step into a Hindu temple and tell the priests there that the Hindu gods and goddesses didn't exist?

Obviously, you can be atheistic about Hinduism by looking at the gods and goddesses as mere representation of something else - maybe goodness or truth. You look at Hinduism through a metaphorical lens. If you can do that to Hinduism, why can't you do that to Christianity? The church disallows that? But so do Hindu temples, I'm sure. Which church disallows that? That depends on the church, surely?