Quote:in which the rabbi draws blood from the penis with his mouth.

Great...that mental image is going to haunt me. It makes you wonder why this was even a ritual in the first place. Was it because pipets weren't invented yet?

Quote:Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities -Voltaire

but especially:

Quote:If you wouldnt let a doctor who studied out of a 2000 year old medical book perform surgery on you, why let a priest reading out of a 2000 year old book tell you how to live your life? -Sam (didn't give a last name)

...unless said doctor was also studying from the 2000 year old book...

(September 6, 2012 at 4:45 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Despite baby dying after getting herpes, Orthodox rabbis say they’ll defy law on ancient circumcision ritual.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/circumc...5432IvveMI

I think this is a perfect example to use towards someone who argues that people would still do all the same evil things if religion didn't exist. There is no way to convince a secular person to suck the blood off of a circumcised baby with your herpes covered mouth (and then turn around and call the people who want to stop you evil). This cannot happen without some delusion religious belief.

Can't they just get another mohel?

Quote:Can't they just get another mohel?

Apparently they are all herpes-infested cocksuckers!

This is probably one of the most salient and relevant examples of how religion is an obscene trump card.

Quote:I pose a hypothetical question. As a man of some fifty-seven years of age, I am discovered sucking the penis of a baby boy. I ask you to picture your own outrage and revulsion. Ah, but I have my explanation all ready. I am a mohel: an appointed circumciser and foreskin remover. My authority comes from an ancient text, which commands me to take a baby boy's penis in my hand, cut around the prepuce, and complete the action by taking his penis in my mouth, sucking off the foreskin, and spitting out the amputated flap along with a mouthful of blood and saliva. This practice has been abandoned by most Jews, either because of its unhygienic nature or its disturbing associations, but it still persists among the sort of Hasidic fundamentalists who hope for the Second Temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem.

In New York City in the year 2005, the ritual, as performed by a fifty-seven-year-old mohel, was found to have given genital herpes to several small boys, and to have caused the deaths of at least two of them. In normal circumstances, the disclosure would have led the public health department to forbid the practice and the mayor to denounce it. But in the capital of the modern world, in the first decade of the twenty-first century, such was not the case. Instead, Mayor Bloomberg overrode the reports by distinguished Jewish physicians who had warned of the danger of the custom, and told his health care bureaucracy to postpone any verdict. The crucial thing, he said, was to be sure that the free exercise of religion was not being infringed.

Adapted from God is not Great, Christopher Hitchens.

Quote:The crucial thing, he said, was to be sure that the free exercise of religion was not being infringed.

This from the guy who wants to ban large sodas!

Secular law. All religions are considered equally or not considered at all, there is no middle ground. This was murder in the third degree because the infant was placed in a situation knowingly by a rabbi who had herpes in his mouth and passed it on to the infant. I don't care what he believes, I care only about the infant who never got to experience its life because of some cock-sucking jew, and that cock-sucking jew needs to be given 15 to life; fuck the FEEEEELLIIIIIINGS of these retards, I REALLY DON'T CARE, lock his ass up! If your religious law is not able to be reconciled with the secular law then you need to get the fuck out of the country and go somewhere it'll be condoned and quit bitching and wanting secular laws to be changed just to tailor to your psychotic solipsistic delusions.

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(September 23, 2012 at 4:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The crucial thing, he said, was to be sure that the free exercise of religion was not being infringed.

This from the guy who wants to ban large sodas!

I drink large amounts of soda religiously. I AM OFFENDED, THE EXERCISE OF MY RELIGIOUS PRACTICES ARE BEING INFRINGED! Seriously.

Fuck Bloomberg. He's such a fucking twit. He only got re-elected because he rode on the coat-tails of the 9/11 shit.

From what I can gather the traditional reason for this practice of sucking the blood of the circumcised penis was for the health of the baby. A bit of irony.
Wikipedia Link

Quote:In addition to milah (the actual circumcision) and priah, mentioned above, the Talmud mentions a third step, metzitzah, or squeezing some blood from the wound. As opposed to milah, a Divine law, and priah, a Rabbinic law, metzitzah is a Rabbinic injunction meant to protect the health of the baby: As understood by medical science of the time, this would prevent infection.

It also states this practice is not binding if modern science contradicts it.

Quote: In general, however, Rabbinic statements about medicine and health have long been regarded as non-binding when modern medical science contradicts them

I can understand this is what they thought 2000 years ago but ever since the 18th century they have known the dangers of this practice.

Quote:Beginning in around the 18th century, however, it was known that this technique itself can spread infection (ironically, prevention of which was the very reason metzitzah was instituted) and harm the baby. Thus, it became quite common in the Jewish world to perform metzitzah via a safe method, such as a sterilized glass tube.

It does state in the link that it is only " ultra-Orthodox communities, most notably Hassidic Jews and some communities in Israel, continue to use the oral method.". It also talks about the herpes infection via mouth suction technique, but not about deaths associated with this technique. I am sure there would be more than just herpes spread through this technique.

I think parents should also be charged for allowing this to happen.
Does anyone know if a anesthetic is used for circumcision? If none is used then that should be classed a child abuse.

Fucking appeal to tradition.. Tradition for tradition's sake is wrong, those that still serve the community can very well be practiced, but if it kills people, it should occur to people not to do it.

(September 23, 2012 at 11:46 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: Fucking appeal to tradition.. Tradition for tradition's sake is wrong, those that still serve the community can very well be practiced, but if it kills people, it should occur to people not to do it.

Like bullfighting? rodeos?
Or just take it to the extreme..... football?
ok, maybe these don't kill people, but they sure maim a few.

For the record....

#1 Son needed circumcision and this was performed via a hospital. Son is quite healthy and improved dramatically following said procedure.

aka...There just MAY BE some cases for this procedure