(September 26, 2012 at 12:17 am)Blackrook Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 12:07 am)Annik Wrote: LOL! Did Bill O'Reily tell you that?

No, I saw it myself.

The Democratic party platform did not mention God even one time.

The Democratic leaders realized this was a P.R. disaster, so they made a motion on the floor to add God to the platform.

The motion was rejected by voice vote three times because so many Democrats in the audience yelled "no" to God.

So finally, the chairman declared that the motion was passed any way, and after that Democrats were booing.

Um, I'm not a Democrat, and it's still crystal clear to me that a vote to not include appeals to God's authority into a political platform is not the same thing as a vote 'no' to God. Conflating the two is just sloppy thinking.

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(September 26, 2012 at 12:30 am)Blackrook Wrote: Well, if you vote Democratic this year you are voting for another four years of high unemployment, business failures, mortgage foreclosures, and out of control spending.

So let's hire back the Party that had the presidency when the economy nearly collapsed in the first place? I don't plan to vote for the incumbent, but it takes nerve to say 'hire us back because the guy whose cleaning up our mess isn't doing it as well as we would'.

(September 26, 2012 at 12:17 am)Blackrook Wrote: The Democratic party platform did not mention God even one time.

What part of 'seperation of church and state' do you not get? They don't need to talk about god.

Was preparing to take this thread seriously but there's no need. Carry on.

For what it's worth, atheists in America run about 10% Republican, 26% Democrat, 50% Independent, and about 11% other, don't know, or refused to answer.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17374733/Who-A...-Agnostics

Shitheads like Blackie hate it when you resort to facts, man.

@OP
There's actually an entire feature on this topic in the latest Free Inquiry magazine... It's not all online, but here are links to a progressive and a conservative view of secularism:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...oeder_32_6
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...=khan_32_6

Here's an overview of how people who subscribe to Free Inquiry place themselves on the political spectrum, based on a 2010 poll:
7% Socialist
41% Liberal
27% Progressive
12% Moderate
3% Centrist
7% Libertarian
3% Conservative
As the editor/author of the intro article points out:
1. Liberal/progressive/leftist positions are significantly overrepresented relative to their prevalence in the general population.
2. Though "lefties" predominate the herd, they do not own the ranch.
We aren't a united front, but we do tend to lean left. I haven't finished the entire piece yet, but may have more to say once I do.

(September 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm)festive1 Wrote: @OP
There's actually an entire feature on this topic in the latest Free Inquiry magazine... It's not all online, but here are links to a progressive and a conservative view of secularism:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...oeder_32_6
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...=khan_32_6

Here's an overview of how people who subscribe to Free Inquiry place themselves on the political spectrum, based on a 2010 poll:
7% Socialist
41% Liberal
27% Progressive
12% Moderate
3% Centrist
7% Libertarian
3% Conservative
As the editor/author of the intro article points out:
1. Liberal/progressive/leftist positions are significantly overrepresented relative to their prevalence in the general population.
2. Though "lefties" predominate the herd, they do not own the ranch.
We aren't a united front, but we do tend to lean left. I haven't finished the entire piece yet, but may have more to say once I do.

OK, you have conducted research and confirmed that I am right. 75% of atheists are left of center, and only 3% are conservatives.

And why is this so?

Does the atheist man embrace the all powerful state as a replacement to the God he does not believe in?

Apparently so.

And so a world of atheism will mean a world that is not free and I don't want it.

(September 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Blackrook Wrote: And so a world of atheism will mean a world that is not free and I don't want it.

Haha, what world do you think you are living in right now?

You have a weird view of what a liberal is.

(September 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Blackrook Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm)festive1 Wrote: @OP
There's actually an entire feature on this topic in the latest Free Inquiry magazine... It's not all online, but here are links to a progressive and a conservative view of secularism:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...oeder_32_6
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...=khan_32_6

Here's an overview of how people who subscribe to Free Inquiry place themselves on the political spectrum, based on a 2010 poll:
7% Socialist
41% Liberal
27% Progressive
12% Moderate
3% Centrist
7% Libertarian
3% Conservative
As the editor/author of the intro article points out:
1. Liberal/progressive/leftist positions are significantly overrepresented relative to their prevalence in the general population.
2. Though "lefties" predominate the herd, they do not own the ranch.
We aren't a united front, but we do tend to lean left. I haven't finished the entire piece yet, but may have more to say once I do.

OK, you have conducted research and confirmed that I am right. 75% of atheists are left of center, and only 3% are conservatives.

And why is this so?

Does the atheist man embrace the all powerful state as a replacement to the God he does not believe in?

Apparently so.

And so a world of atheism will mean a world that is not free and I don't want it.

You left out the Libertarians, they would definitely fall under the umbrella of "conservative," thereby raising your percentage to 10. In fact, the editor/author of this article also throws the centrists and moderates into the conservative camp, raising it to 25%, which is sizable.
I think it has more to do with thinking and being rational. If this is the only life we have, and there is no eternal reward in heaven, why not make THIS life and THIS world a better place for everyone? Why would we delude ourselves that the world is a level playing field and that everyone has equal opportunities, when this is so clearly not the case?