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October 21, 2012 at 3:07 pm (This post was last modified: October 21, 2012 at 3:13 pm by Drich.)
(October 20, 2012 at 1:23 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yes it is, you pointed it out yourself in an earlier phase of trying to twist your balls into a pretzel to save your fucking bible from ridicule. And it has been built and rebuilt over the centuries in spite of what your fucking silly bible says in verse 14.
Actually it hasn't "Old tyre" hasn't been rebuilt. The ruins of the city remains. The sea port has been rebuilt and has been since Named tyre.
God did not curse the very name of the city. He cursed the Inhabitants and all they built. Which they are dead, and their glorious city either lays at the bottom of the ocean or in ruins next to the New city of Tyre.
Quote:14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.
Exactly! 2/3's of the city is at the bottom of the ocean, (A good place to spead a fish net) and only the ruins remain. Only a old stubborn ass would deny this truth! The only thing reused was the name Tyre! Even the foundations of the old city were abandoned.
(October 20, 2012 at 8:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I guess drippy had a blowout over his Tyres. Let's try another city where "god" fucked up a prophecy.
Isaiah 17:1
Quote:“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
Oops.....
Quote:Damascus, the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.
Damascus is the capital of Syria and one of the most ancient cities in the world.
Not a heap of ruins....poor god, so poorly served by this fuckwitted "prophets."
You'd think 'god' would hire better employees than a second-rate personnel manager at a McDonalds, wouldn't you?
Keep reading Minnie:
4 “In that day it shall come to pass
That the glory of Jacob will wane,
And the fatness of his flesh grow lean.
5 It shall be as when the harvester gathers the grain,
And reaps the heads with his arm;
It shall be as he who gathers heads of grain
In the Valley of Rephaim.
6 Yet gleaning grapes will be left in it,
Like the shaking of an olive tree,
Two or three olives at the top of the uppermost bough,
Four or five in its most fruitful branches,”
Says the Lord God of Israel.
What day is that day?
"That Day" refers to the Judgement of God. The last day(s) In otherwords Judgement day. The Day His Kingdom comes.
(We are not there yet)
Really, if Christianity were true, God should have made Tyre a giant radioactive crater so we wouldn't be having this debate.
My ignore list
No one is here because I can handle all of you motherfuckers!
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
October 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm (This post was last modified: October 21, 2012 at 3:54 pm by Minimalist.)
Good point....why would god have needed to hire Nebuchadnezzar to do his dirty work for him...and who failed to take the city anyway...making god look like even more of a putz for hiring the wrong hitman.
"God" should have know that Alexander would have been along in a few centuries to do the job right....although even he was not as wasteful as Drippy's shit god and did not destroy the city. Far too valuable a piece of real estate.
(October 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Good point....why would god have needed to hire Nebuchadnezzar to do his dirty work for him...and who failed to take the city anyway...making god look like even more of a putz for hiring the wrong hitman.
"God" should have know that Alexander would have been along in a few centuries to do the job right....although even he was not as wasteful as Drippy's shit god and did not destroy the city. Far too valuable a piece of real estate.
The city God was speaking about is gone. look at your picture again (it's in the forground.) What is in the back ground was built on the land formed after the Old city was cast into the sea to build a causeway to attack the remaining sea port.
...But you know this and can not admit it. via the artical you have been quoting from. This Minnie, is refered to as blind faith. You believe in something because you have been coniction in your heart to believe it, even if all evidence points to the contary!
(October 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Good point....why would god have needed to hire Nebuchadnezzar to do his dirty work for him...and who failed to take the city anyway...making god look like even more of a putz for hiring the wrong hitman.
"God" should have know that Alexander would have been along in a few centuries to do the job right....although even he was not as wasteful as Drippy's shit god and did not destroy the city. Far too valuable a piece of real estate.
The city God was speaking about is gone. look at your picture again (it's in the forground.) What is in the back ground was built on the land formed after the Old city was cast into the sea to build a causeway to attack the remaining sea port.
...But you know this and can not admit it. via the artical you have been quoting from. This Minnie, is refered to as blind faith. You believe in something because you have been coniction in your heart to believe it, even if all evidence points to the contary!
It said it would never be found either, and it was, even if it was ruined. Ezekiel 26:19-21 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place[c] in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord.”(bolding added)
See?
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
The whole thing is about the river, not the conquering of the land, God did not tell Joshua of the peoples that would be dispossessed, do you see those names in the verses you gave, no, so why are you using it, those verses are repeating what Joshua already knew. God proved to the people He was with Joshua and the people by stopping the flow of the river, a much greater feat. Joshua got the info about the people to be dispossessed from Moses. The verses in the OP have nothing to do with dispossessing these people, why is it so hard for you to see. Joshua was the one who made the statement about dispossessing these people, He was embellishing what God actually said.
Drich was correct in saying that the people did not take all God was giving them. They started off all wrong, they did not take all the lands God was going to give them, they stopped and settled down in the lands west of the Jordan except for a couple of small areas. If they had accepted what God was going to give them they would have conquered all the lands to the Euphrates, virtually eliminating all there enemies to this day. They payed a big price for not doing what God had planned for them.
God actually said "I will give you every place where you set your foot", so how is Joshua bending the facts? God spends one sentence talking about the river, and then three talking about how the Israelites are going to conquer all of the places they go to. God may not have mentioned specific places, but he said "every place where you set your foot", so that is pretty all-encompassing. God also says "No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you." and yet the iron chariots stood against them. Again, I am only referring to the part where god promised that they would conquer any place they went and no one could stand against them. The point of contradiction is that the iron chariots were indeed able to stand against them.
How did Joshua know where he was going to put his feet, if this is what God intended then Joshua would have control of the peoples who would be dispossessed. Like I said Joshua was told by Moses what peoples would be dispossessed. I do not care about the chariots at this time, that is another matter to be discussed later. I asked you to read all of chapters 3 and 4 and you would see that God intended to show that He was with Joshua by stopping the flow of the raging Jordan river, but you did not, if you had this argument would not be lingering on. I also asked you to do a little geography about the Jordan river yet you have not. So until you can accomplish these simple tasks then there is no since in continuing.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
October 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm (This post was last modified: October 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm by Darkstar.)
How many times do I have to say that this isn't about the river? Yes, god stopped a river to let Joshua and his men pass, but he also promised that Joshua would be unstoppable wherever he went.
Fact: God said to Joshua "No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life."
Fact: The chariots of iron stood against him.
This is the only point I am adressing right now.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
October 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm (This post was last modified: October 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm by Minimalist.)
Quote: The city God was speaking about is gone.
Using that "logic" so is fucking Jerusalem, asshole....and Rome...Athens... fuck, even London and Paris.
I hope you don't think you are fooling anyone with such utter gibberish. Why is your god such a shmuck? Why does he need a dickhead like you to try to get him off the hook with horseshit answers?
