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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 9:35 pm
(November 27, 2012 at 8:48 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Nice ad hominem, but I will let it go. Firstly I am not a liar and I do have mild autism. I ask you to simply call me out on my bullshit, which you have no don't and not on my point on my general conversation with you. Show my my bullshit as I can't see it and really I can't.
That wasn't an ad-hom, it was an insult...
One of your claims is that I haven't challenged your points, right?
Asside from my original response where I responded to each of your 9 points, I directly chllenged your #3 twice. (which you STILL deny...)
First challenge:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15638-po...#pid365979
Second challenge:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15638-po...#pid366666
So you want my view on my own point 3? I thought since I am an atheist, me answer is clear, but if you insist.
Quote:3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
1. Their is no abrahamic god to began with, the Torah and its revisions (a.k.a Bible and Quran) are too contradictory and flawed to be 'the truth'
2. Eternal and infinite punishment is infinitely unjust and no good (relatively speaking) god would ever do such a thing.
3. When you die that's it, there is nothing after. No heaven or hell, just like remembering the year 1616.
You wanted my own view on point 3, there it is.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 9:39 pm
(November 27, 2012 at 9:35 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 8:48 pm)catfish Wrote: That wasn't an ad-hom, it was an insult...
One of your claims is that I haven't challenged your points, right?
Asside from my original response where I responded to each of your 9 points, I directly chllenged your #3 twice. (which you STILL deny...)
First challenge:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15638-po...#pid365979
Second challenge:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15638-po...#pid366666
So you want my view on my own point 3? I thought since I am an atheist, me answer is clear, but if you insist.
Quote:3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
1. Their is no abrahamic god to began with, the Torah and its revisions (a.k.a Bible and Quran) are too contradictory and flawed to be 'the truth'
2. Eternal and infinite punishment is infinitely unjust and no good (relatively speaking) god would ever do such a thing.
3. When you die that's it, there is nothing after. No heaven or hell, just like remembering the year 1616.
You wanted my own view on point 3, there it is.
Troll... You can fuck off now...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm
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(November 27, 2012 at 9:39 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 9:35 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: So you want my view on my own point 3? I thought since I am an atheist, me answer is clear, but if you insist.
1. Their is no abrahamic god to began with, the Torah and its revisions (a.k.a Bible and Quran) are too contradictory and flawed to be 'the truth'
2. Eternal and infinite punishment is infinitely unjust and no good (relatively speaking) god would ever do such a thing.
3. When you die that's it, there is nothing after. No heaven or hell, just like remembering the year 1616.
You wanted my own view on point 3, there it is.
Troll... You can fuck off now...
sorry but you asked for my points so I gave them I accepting your challenge after you made it clearer to me, If you think I a trolling, I am doing it unintentionally, honest I swear on my life, I am not doing this intentionally.
All I wanted was a straight forward honest unambiguous answer (that could be read by anybody) like GC's, not this huge debate.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm
(November 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: sorry but you asked for my points so I gave them I accepting your challenge after you made it clearer to me, If you think I a trolling, I am doing it unintentionally, honest I swear on my life, I am not doing this intentionally.
All I wanted was a straight forward honest unambiguous answer (that could be read by anybody) like GC's, not this huge debate.
Did you see what you did there?
I asked for the reason WHY you thought Christians believed your 9 points NOT for your opinion on them... I even gave you this statement to which you never responded:
"I'm gonna assume that you believe those 9 points come from the Bible as Christians seem to be your target, am I correct in that assumption?"
I have already conceded that some people do believe those points... Now I want your opinion of why those people would agree with your 9 points. Understand?
Here's my original question to you.
"Perhaps you should expound on why you think those points are believed??? "
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 7:46 am
(November 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: sorry but you asked for my points so I gave them I accepting your challenge after you made it clearer to me, If you think I a trolling, I am doing it unintentionally, honest I swear on my life, I am not doing this intentionally.
All I wanted was a straight forward honest unambiguous answer (that could be read by anybody) like GC's, not this huge debate.
Did you see what you did there?
I asked for the reason WHY you thought Christians believed your 9 points NOT for your opinion on them... I even gave you this statement to which you never responded:
"I'm gonna assume that you believe those 9 points come from the Bible as Christians seem to be your target, am I correct in that assumption?"
I have already conceded that some people do believe those points... Now I want your opinion of why those people would agree with your 9 points. Understand?
Here's my original question to you.
"Perhaps you should expound on why you think those points are believed??? "
I think those points are believe first of thoughts and ramblings of Drich and GC also that's all I seem to hear from the USA (being from the UK), I don't know any so I form my opinions from what I heard from the news, YouTube, documentaries, podcasts e.t.c.
I don't need to know how batshit crazy Muslims are as I am surrounded by them but American Christians (from what I get wind of) are just, if not more crazy and those point are the combination of what I have heard and seen. And also what I have seen American Christians are alot more crazy the British Christians, I will tell you that right now.
I hoped that helps.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm
(November 29, 2012 at 7:46 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: I think those points are believe first of thoughts and ramblings of Drich and GC also that's all I seem to hear from the USA (being from the UK), I don't know any so I form my opinions from what I heard from the news, YouTube, documentaries, podcasts e.t.c.
I don't need to know how batshit crazy Muslims are as I am surrounded by them but American Christians (from what I get wind of) are just, if not more crazy and those point are the combination of what I have heard and seen. And also what I have seen American Christians are alot more crazy the British Christians, I will tell you that right now.
I hoped that helps.
It only helps in the confirmation that I am correct. You only wish to ridicule Christians and you believe what you hear without researching for yourself.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm
(November 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 29, 2012 at 7:46 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: I think those points are believe first of thoughts and ramblings of Drich and GC also that's all I seem to hear from the USA (being from the UK), I don't know any so I form my opinions from what I heard from the news, YouTube, documentaries, podcasts e.t.c.
I don't need to know how batshit crazy Muslims are as I am surrounded by them but American Christians (from what I get wind of) are just, if not more crazy and those point are the combination of what I have heard and seen. And also what I have seen American Christians are alot more crazy the British Christians, I will tell you that right now.
I hoped that helps.
It only helps in the confirmation that I am correct. You only wish to ridicule Christians and you believe what you hear without researching for yourself. Haven't you thought that by me asking this question that I am doing research and finding out about your (Christians) views. 
I asked you to prove me wrong about my sterotypes, so far you have not. In fact you have been arrogant and no doing your side any favours.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 7:27 pm
(November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Haven't you thought that by me asking this question that I am doing research and finding out about your (Christians) views.
I asked you to prove me wrong about my sterotypes, so far you have not. In fact you have been arrogant and no doing your side any favours.
Catfish is a lost cause. His stated religious views are 'unique and personal'; he means it. He chastises other christians for not getting it right and accuses atheist of having their own version of christianity simply for shoving his own special book back up his ass.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 7:29 pm
(November 29, 2012 at 7:27 pm)cato123 Wrote: (November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Haven't you thought that by me asking this question that I am doing research and finding out about your (Christians) views.
I asked you to prove me wrong about my sterotypes, so far you have not. In fact you have been arrogant and no doing your side any favours.
Catfish is a lost cause. His stated religious views are 'unique and personal'; he means it. He chastises other christians for not getting it right and accuses atheist of having their own version of christianity simply for shoving his own special book back up his ass. Sounds about right.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm
(November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: (November 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm)catfish Wrote: It only helps in the confirmation that I am correct. You only wish to ridicule Christians and you believe what you hear without researching for yourself. Haven't you thought that by me asking this question that I am doing research and finding out about your (Christians) views.
I asked you to prove me wrong about my sterotypes, so far you have not. In fact you have been arrogant and no doing your side any favours.
If you want to find out about my views, read the Bible. Arrogant? No, confident. Because even an atheist who reads and looks up what I say cannot refute my points. The first point I usually bring up is to do your own research and make up your own minds, but you guys can't do that, can you? And for the record, if you read my responses to your "points", why the Hades would you think I'm stereotypical??? Was that just a lie to avoid the issue at hand?
Read my point challenges and come back here with your own opinions of the words written and prove to me you have at least a little intelectual honesty.
*I'll predict now that you won't research your #3 for yourself and you'll just reply with more denials and fluff...*
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