(November 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm)catfish Wrote:

(November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Haven't you thought that by me asking this question that I am doing research and finding out about your (Christians) views.
I asked you to prove me wrong about my sterotypes, so far you have not. In fact you have been arrogant and no doing your side any favours.

If you want to find out about my views, read the Bible. Arrogant? No, confident. Because even an atheist who reads and looks up what I say cannot refute my points. The first point I usually bring up is to do your own research and make up your own minds, but you guys can't do that, can you? And for the record, if you read my responses to your "points", why the Hades would you think I'm stereotypical??? Was that just a lie to avoid the issue at hand?

Read my point challenges and come back here with your own opinions of the words written and prove to me you have at least a little intelectual honesty.

*I'll predict now that you won't research your #3 for yourself and you'll just reply with more denials and fluff...*

Have you completely lost the plot? not only have you missed the point of the ENTIRE thread, you insult me and turn the whole thing against me. You truly are a lost cause and I am done with this.
Next Christian to answer my points please.

(November 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Have you completely lost the plot? not only have you missed the point of the ENTIRE thread, you insult me and turn the whole thing against me. You truly are a lost cause and I am done with this.
Next Christian to answer my points please.

You had to go and fullfill my prophecy, huh? lol

And while I admit to fucking with you on my first post because of how you worded the OP, I am, and have been, quite aware of the "plot". Aside from your desire to ridicule Christians, you wanted "proof?" of why any of your points would or would not be believed (why you were wrong). I gave you numerous reasons why I didn't agree with your #3 and you gave me hearsay and denial of a belief in God for your reasons why you did not believe #3... If you're not willing to debate the topic with some sort of intellectual honesty, then you ARE a fucking troll, you do know that, right?

I have one question for you Gooders...

What or whom decides who is to be considered a "Christian"? I.E. The Bible, The Pope, You, etc... (we're going to play the "True Christian™" game...)
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Quote:What or whom decides who is to be considered a "Christian"?

What about a dictionary? Here. Do you think that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah, catfirsh?

Why would I have to believe he was the messiah? But yes, I believe he was predicted...
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(November 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm)catfish Wrote: Why would I have to believe he was the messiah? But yes, I believe he was predicted...
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Because if you didn't, it would make you a Jew. This isn't about the True Christian Club™. You can't be a Christian who denies the divinity of Jesus. It is simply not possible. You may hold some views in common with Christians, but Jesus is the defining one, and if you don't believe Jesus was god, then you are a Jew, or a Christianish theist.

(November 29, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(November 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm)catfish Wrote: Why would I have to believe he was the messiah? But yes, I believe he was predicted...
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Because if you didn't, it would make you a Jew. This isn't about the True Christian Club™. You can't be a Christian who denies the divinity of Jesus. It is simply not possible. You may hold some views in common with Christians, but Jesus is the defining one, and if you don't believe Jesus was god, then you are a Jew, or a Christianish theist.

Yes, I can deny the divinity of Yeshua. Using his own words too. Who says I can't?
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Quote:Yes, I can deny the divinity of Yeshua

Of course you can. But then you can't call yourself a Christian. I'm glad that you don't believe in the divinity fo Yeshua, it means that you're just one step ahead from not believing in the god of the Bible. But the label "Christian" has a specific meaning.

You're not Christian, you're a theist who likes the teachings of Yeshua. You could be a Muslim, a Jew or even simply a theist with simpathies for Yeshua.

Quote:If you want to find out about my views, read the Bible.

I've read it.

So you are a juvenile asshole, eh.

(November 29, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote:

Quote:Yes, I can deny the divinity of Yeshua

Of course you can. But then you can't call yourself a Christian. I'm glad that you don't believe in the divinity fo Yeshua, it means that you're just one step ahead from not believing in the god of the Bible. But the label "Christian" has a specific meaning.

You're not Christian, you're a theist who likes the teachings of Yeshua. You could be a Muslim, a Jew or even simply a theist with simpathies for Yeshua.

So, we're gonna play the "True Christian™" game? Let's do it. Show me where Yeshua taught the pagan concept of a triune god, ok?

I'll start with this:
Luke 18:19
New International Version (NIV)

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
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(November 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm)catfish Wrote: If you want to find out about my views, read the Bible.

Bullshit! I have read your stupid book. In fact I referenced (no interpretation required) the Bible without opinion in a manner that unequivocally destroyed your ignorant assertion that your book wasn't clear regarding Jesus dying for everyone's sins. You have likely read the passeges I referenced, but continue to ignore them knowing that your argument is fucked. (Hebrews 10:10-12 if anyone cares).