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Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm
So, I guess when you said you were going to be less of an asshat, you were funnin' us?
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#122
RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 6:45 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: So, I guess when you said you were going to be less of an asshat, you were funnin' us?

Fuck off you twat.
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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 6:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: How the fuck can it be improbable and certain at the same time you fuckwit?

The two are mutually exclusive. It can't be both. It's like saying the value of a constant is six and fifteen at the same time.
You mean like winning the lottery? They are not mutually exclusive, many improbable events are certainties. The post I'm responding to, for example. Hugely improbable, but simultaneously certain.
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#124
RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Improbably =/= impossible.

With infinite chances, it would also be a certainty.
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#125
RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 6:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Both of Dawkins ideas are bullshit.

They all boil down to "who designed the designer".

Which leads to an infinite regress and thus fails.



(December 6, 2012 at 6:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: You need to graduate from Dawkins are read smarter atheists. Nobody takes him seriously in universities anymore.
And I should just take your word for it why?

(December 6, 2012 at 6:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: BTW, invisible unicorns who are also omnipotent and can create the universe? So you're a theist now? Thinking

Nope. Don't actually believe it. Also didn't say they were omnipotent or could create the universe, just that they are undetectable and they make it rain. It is their magic that lets water evaporate. Prove otherwise. Or is this one of those 'so unlikely we shouldn't even consider it' things? (yeah, it is, even though a flying invisible magical unicorn is less extraordinary than a god)
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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Annik Wrote: Improbably =/= impossible.

With infinite chances, it would also be a certainty.

Infinity does not mean that an event will certainly happen. If something is impossible, it is impossible - timescale becomes irrelevant.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:
(December 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Annik Wrote: Improbably =/= impossible.

With infinite chances, it would also be a certainty.

Infinity does not mean that an event will certainly happen. If something is impossible, it is impossible - timescale becomes irrelevant.

I think we're miscommunicating. I'm talking about the improbable events, not the impossible ones. If an event is impossible, it is impossible. If an event is just every highly unlikely, with infinite chances, the unlikely thing will occur.
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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm)Annik Wrote:
(December 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Infinity does not mean that an event will certainly happen. If something is impossible, it is impossible - timescale becomes irrelevant.

I think we're miscommunicating. I'm talking about the improbable events, not the impossible ones. If an event is impossible, it is impossible. If an event is just every highly unlikely, with infinite chances, the unlikely thing will occur.

Oh so you mean like flipping a coin and it landing heads up 18 billion trillion times in a row? Now that's improbable to an unimaginable degree, but is it impossible? Probably not, given enough time. No matter how long the odds, forever is longer! Mind you I'm not sure if you could say that is is certain that you could flip 18 billion trillion heads in a row if you had unlimited time?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm
(December 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Oh so you mean like flipping a coin and it landing heads up 18 billion trillion times in a row? Now that's improbable to an unimaginable degree, but is it impossible? Probably not, given enough time. No matter how long the odds, forever is longer! Mind you I'm not sure if you could say that is is certain that you could flip 18 billion trillion heads in a row if you had unlimited time?

I'm not considering human limitations, since humans don't have infinite life, but that's exactly what I mean.
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#130
RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm
It's hard to imagine being dead for infinity - both before your life and after. It's hard to imagine going to heaven for infinity, that's actually scary - dunno where xtians find the attraction. Being dead for eternity is surely the better option as you won't be aware of the infinite time elapsing. Whoops went off on a tangent there, but the concept of infinity boggles my mind every time.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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