Nothing wrong with carrots.

(December 9, 2012 at 1:35 pm)cato123 Wrote: You're missing the point. Why should anyone take the teachings of Muhammad seriously if those that profess the faith do not?

Response: You should take anything that has truth to it as serious, despite what others do.

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(December 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Not at all.

Sir Issac Newton was a horrible character you'd never want to have over for dinner. He was kind of crazy too, believing in nutty things like alchemy.

And he made great contributions to our understanding of Physics.

And that's all science cares about. Science ignores questions of someone's character and disregards any crazy ideas to focus on what can be demonstrated to be true.

Character is irrelevant to what is or isn't true.

Response: Yet the reporting of scientific information can only be reliable if the source is trustworthy. So the character of being truthful is essential. Even your claim that Isaac Newton made contributuins to physics is based on relying on the reports that say so, meaning those who reported it must be truthful for your claim to be credible.

Muslims and Christians both follow blood-soaked fiction which acts as instruction manuals for a) what sorts of arbitrary taboos the human authors possessed, and b) who to kill. In a sick sort of way, you have to give Muslims credit: They do not pretend Allah is your best friend or that he gives an oven baked shit about your personal problems. They do not pretend Allah is not a homicidal lunatic who wants his followers to paint the world red with the blood of unbelievers. They do not pretend they are not slaves to their favorite fictional character.

This makes Islam the greatest threat to the entire world at present, but at least it is a display of integrity Christians only display when they want to hate someone different.

(December 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I've had my fill of you dodging questions for one day thank you.

You're here to seek confirmation bias. I could care less what you believe in.

I don't care.

If Muhammad is as "great" as you say, don't you think I should care by now? Shouldn't you be asking yourself why I don't care? And counter this apathy I have for your dogmatic drivel by providing reasons and well-supported arguments that would make me care?

You can make a start by trying to convince me of what Muhammad has supposedly done for the human race, what he has done for my life.

Response: Likewise, I don't care that you don't care. So there's no need for me to try anything with you.

(December 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: You should take anything that has truth to it as serious, despite what others do.

You have yet to demonstrate the truth of anything regarding the foundation of your religion. All I have seen are baseless assertions and an appeal to documents with dubious authenticity and veracity.

(December 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Muhammad was just as fictional as jesus and moses....or Zeus. Time to join the 21st century, Abdul.

Response: When you can provide evidence of your claim, then it will become valid.

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(December 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I find it necessary to repeat, since my last post wasn't addressed, that discussions of character are wholly irrelevant to the truth of a claim. You are free to talk about how great a character Muhammad was and I'll leave you to it. It does nothing to advance Islam as a credible model of how the universe works.

Response: It does, since islam is based on the teachings and character of Muhammad.

(December 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: You should take anything that has truth to it as serious, despite what others do.

Query: How do we determine if there is any truth to a claim, or do we simply take the claimant's word for it?

(December 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:

(December 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Muhammad was just as fictional as jesus and moses....or Zeus. Time to join the 21st century, Abdul.

Response: When you can provide evidence of your claim, then it will become valid.

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. You are making the claim that he existed.
So show us the evidence.
If you can't then it is as much hear say as Zeus, Jesus, Abraham or Moses.
all characters with doubtful historicity.

(December 9, 2012 at 3:30 pm)cato123 Wrote: You have yet to demonstrate the truth of anything regarding the foundation of your religion. All I have seen are baseless assertions and an appeal to documents with dubious authenticity and veracity.

Response: That is not the topic of the thread. It is rather you making baseless assertions. The topic is why Muhammad is perceived in a negative manner. No assertion was ever made. It is rather you dodging answering the question and wanting to divert to a different subject.

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(December 9, 2012 at 3:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Query: How do we determine if there is any truth to a claim, or do we simply take the claimant's word for it?

Response: Truth is what can be proven as a fact based on testable evidence.

Wow, no interest to defend your position or have a discussion at all huh?

Does anyone else think this guy's a moronic poe?