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How Christians and there god sound to me.
RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(December 7, 2012 at 8:55 pm)catfish Wrote:
(December 7, 2012 at 8:52 pm)Darkstar Wrote: I don't believe the bible is infalliable, but I have no good reason to think that it wouldn't claim that it was, or at least imply it.

If you haven't seen it for yourself, then can I assume you operate on faith? Are you a convert now? lol
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I know, it takes so much faith to believe that the earth won't explode in the next ten minutes. What if the bible didn't claim itslef infalliable? Would anyone stoip defending it? I highly doubt it. No argument has been primarily built on the bible's claim of infalliability. If I ever needed to disprove that it said such a thing, I would just ask where it supposedly said it.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(December 7, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Darkstar Wrote: What if the bible didn't claim itslef infalliable?

Then one jackass would claim that it did, and that his interpretation of whatever passage he cited was correct, while another would claim that the interpretation was incorrect, and yet a third would just say "meh, I don't like that passage anyway".........at the very least
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(November 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: You haven't supported your claim. If you're going to claim that God has stopped interacting, you have to support it. The burden isn't on me to disprove you; the burden is on you to prove your truth-claims.

There seems to be a very subtle hint of burden shifting going on.

None of this makes any sense because the term 'God' has no referent (just like the term "Blark" has no referent). If you assert that it does than the burden of proof is on you. And since you have titled yourself here as "Protestant Christian" it is reasonable to infer that the burden is, indeed, on you.

(November 27, 2012 at 1:32 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Hmm. Well, I don't think God has intervened in my life in any significantly different way than He intervenes in the lives of anyone else, believer or not.

Then your "God" (whatever you are attempting to refer to, or by most classical definitions) is one that is indistinguishable from our experience with unicorns, Allah, Krishna, or Annunaki space aliens, Thus quite indistinguishable from non-existence.

(November 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Wonder away to your heart's content. But when "some folks" start making claims--like "God has stopped interacting"--then they have the burden of giving evidence to support their claims.

To quote Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

No, they don't. This claim is a negative one. It is the negation of an assertion. You should know that it is impossible to prove a universal negative (i.e. - that a supposedly universal being has stopped doing something). Must this really be spoken? One would first have to prove that such a being (if we can call it that) actually exists (which of course you know is not accepted by those of us who reject theism). Thus, your attempted rebuttal is actually an attempt to shift the burden of proof, while (perhaps deliberately) misreading the meaning of what was stated. When one of us says, "God has stopped interacting", you know we don't believe this alleged Yahweh exists, right? So we are NOT talking literally (i.e. - we are NOT making a positive claim).

- I thought you apologists were supposed to know about "meanings in context".
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
So the OP and Darkstar appear to be afraid of research, how predictable...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(December 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm)catfish Wrote: So the OP and Darkstar appear to be afraid of research, how predictable...
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Right, because I didn't do any research for this post.

Also, it would be much harder to show that nowhere in the bible does it claim infalliability than to show that it does somewhere.

http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php

I know just pasting a link is kind of a cop-out, and you don't need to even read it if you don't want to, but I have something else I need to be doing right now. I'll come back when I can.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
Everytime I read the name of this thread I expect to hear the Farts of Farts, how childish of me.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
I have already read it and gave you my opinion of it, but I suppose you still haven't learned to think for yourself, huh?
Do you forget this?
"Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting."

How can something be "practically eternal" if it isn't?

Please, don't bother responding if you can't form an opinion in your own words as I'll just pick apart how naive you are...
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I also imagine you forget this quote from me: (bolded by me for emphasis)

"So, if you agree that I'm a Christian and I say that I disagree with point #3, how do we determine if my logic is valid? I say to check it for yourself, I'll even give you points to research. What will you actually do though? Is this where you tell me how it isn't worth your time, or do you take the 10 minutes to verify or disprove my claims?"
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(December 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm)catfish Wrote: I have already read it and gave you my opinion of it, but I suppose you still haven't learned to think for yourself, huh?
Do you forget this?
"Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting."

How can something be "practically eternal" if it isn't?

Maybe I didn't make this clear, but that post was just an example; it was not part of my current arguement. I am no longer arguing that the bible used the word "eternal" as the absolute descriptor for the duration of hell.

My last post was on biblical infalliability. I'm not going to be here for the rest of the day, but I'll respond properly when I can.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(November 29, 2012 at 10:27 pm)catfish Wrote:
(November 29, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote: Of course you can. But then you can't call yourself a Christian. I'm glad that you don't believe in the divinity fo Yeshua, it means that you're just one step ahead from not believing in the god of the Bible. But the label "Christian" has a specific meaning.

You're not Christian, you're a theist who likes the teachings of Yeshua. You could be a Muslim, a Jew or even simply a theist with simpathies for Yeshua.

So, we're gonna play the "True Christian™" game? Let's do it. Show me where Yeshua taught the pagan concept of a triune god, ok?

I'll start with this:
Luke 18:19
New International Version (NIV)

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
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It doesn't make one bit of difference what the bible says, because you haven't demonstrated why anyone should take it as an authority on ANY subject, let alone who are the "true" followers and who is not.

Who are the "true followers" of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity or any other religion of the past? Who cares! NONE of these religions have demonstrated that their claims should be taken as anything more than MYTH. To that effect, there is no "one true" follower of any of these cults, because there are hundreds of versions of all of them (most of which contradict each others futile attempt at interpretation).

Religion evolves...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(December 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm)median Wrote: It doesn't make one bit of difference what the bible says, because you haven't demonstrated why anyone should take it as an authority on ANY subject, let alone who are the "true" followers and who is not.

So, you're saying that the Bible shouldn't be used to determine who's a Christian then? I suppose we should use a math book for that then???
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