(January 19, 2013 at 6:59 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Dogs are actually fairly intelligent for mammals, and they bone year-round... just like humans do.

Sure but I'm not sure how we know if they have the capacity or to consent or are willing to have inter-species sex.

(January 19, 2013 at 6:59 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Did you know: Chimps and other monkeys have been known to sexually harass, assault, and even rape human women before? (Right before kidnapping and eating their babies)

No, thats pretty fucked up.

(January 19, 2013 at 6:11 pm)ComplexityofChaos Wrote: In the gay-marriage debate, the debate primarily centers on whether the religious people will be allowed to persecute the gay, even though many gays are religious. The opponents of gay marriage typically base their opposition on marriage being between a man and a woman, based on some Biblical fantasy. The proponents of gay marriage argue that equal protection applies; that is, since straight people get to marry, gays should have the same equal rights. Both sides miss the point of the gay-marriage issue.

The fact is that it is no one's business whether two or more consenting adults want to get married. The idea one needs permission from the state to marry is offensive. The debate on gay marriage would be completely unnecessary if people recognized that no one has the right to tell another adult whether they can marry another consenting adult. And since no person has such a right, no group of people do either, and that includes the state.

From what I've observed in my own state, which was recently a battleground state, they use the issue of how legitimizing homosexuality will affect society, and particularly the effect that legitimacy could have on children if open homosexuality is endorsed by and taught in public schools and the like. While I don't agree with their thinking, it does then become a public issue and they have been very effective at selling this and other messages in order to drum up opposition to gay marriage.

Note: some of this is graphic, not for squeamish people. And monkeys are fucked up.

http://www.uproxx.com/feature/2010/02/10...creatures/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee#Attacks and below directly related:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/03...xtra2.html

http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle...sequence=1

Reality check: non-human animals are just as fucked up as humans.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:12 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Reality check: non-human animals are just as fucked up as humans.

Yeah I have no doubt thats the case.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:10 pm)apophenia Wrote: From what I've observed in my own state, which was recently a battleground state, they use the issue of how legitimizing homosexuality will affect society, and particularly the effect that legitimacy could have on children if open homosexuality is endorsed by and taught in public schools and the like. While I don't agree with their thinking, it does then become a public issue and they have been very effective at selling this and other messages in order to drum up opposition to gay marriage.

Oh, yeah, they REALLY lean on the 'think-of-the-children' meme to push their agenda. They're especially strong with gay marriage, but they'll role it out in other areas as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnP4JKi08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qasbSquSW54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blkFl0-ZJdY

That last one really had me wanting to bleach my brain.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Insanity x Wrote: Sure but I'm not sure how we know if they have the capacity or to consent or are willing to have inter-species sex.

Observe: *IT IS HUMPING YOUR LEG*

What would you call it if a human was humping your leg trying to get off? Anyways: usually, the lack of consent here is on the human's side, as they boot the dog off their leg. Just think... if you were a naked woman hogtied or otherwise bound 'doggystyle', and you were caged with a larger male dog for long enough... is it so unlikely, that there is a chance it might go further than humping a leg?

Yeah, good luck getting funding for that study. I believe it'd be quite interesting. Bonus points if she's ovulating.

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(January 19, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Insanity x Wrote: Yeah I have no doubt thats the case.

Check out what dolphins do:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/biz...-kills-fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZY6nYEq5i4

(January 19, 2013 at 7:16 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Observe: *IT IS HUMPING YOUR LEG*

What would you call it if a human was humping your leg trying to get off? Anyways: usually, the lack of consent here is on the human's side, as they boot the dog off their leg. Just think... if you were a naked woman hogtied or otherwise bound 'doggystyle', and you were caged with a larger male dog for long enough... is it so unlikely, that there is a chance it might go further than humping a leg?

Yeah, good luck getting funding for that study. I believe it'd be quite interesting. Bonus points if she's ovulating.

If you can convince the government and animal rights groups your golden to have all the crazy monkey on dog on you orgies you want.

I just don't think there's a reliable way to gauge consent from an animal short of getting mounted and fucked by one.

How did this turn into a talk on beastiality?

Fundamentalists are probably going to come in here, point to this thread and say "See! Just talking about gay marriage leads to us doing dogs! Slippery slope!"

(January 19, 2013 at 7:20 pm)Insanity x Wrote: If you can convince the government and animal rights groups your golden to have all the crazy monkey on dog on you orgies you want.

Oh hell no... have you seen their teeth and their claws? TT__TT Or how brutal monkey sex can be, or ever watched two male dogs going after a non-consenting female?

That shit... is sickening. At least, it is to me

Quote:I just don't think there's a reliable way to gauge consent from an animal short of getting mounted and fucked by one.

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Agreed. Unless the creature makes it (painfully?) obvious... it's a very hard thing to be sure of

Holy shit, this discussion has strayed a little from the topic at hand.
From gay marriage, to a dog fucking an hogtied woman in a cage.
Well, this has been interesting, but I think I've had enough internet for today...