Hell can be found in any destination for human trafficking, and why do humans go there?

Usually, because they are unlucky.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: That subliminal voice is exactly what I'm talking about. Even if it was occasional & quiet.

I may well be mad but not of the voice hearing variety.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Christianity would repel anybody. But you just mentioned up there that you had thoughts, by saying (it's stupid) you're killing it.

Oh really?


http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Why not try to say (what if) ? what if is always a good exercise for the mind.

I had mandatory religious education for 5 years at secondary school. I also took it as a subject for my final two years of school for my exams. (That meant double RE lessons some days) then took Philosophy and History of Religion for another 2 years alongside other subjects at college.

If there were a solid argument for god I think I may have heard it by now.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: lol, yeah it came up weird, let me explain.

Cool.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: You said the forgetting that acceptance is an idiotic thing. But it's the right thing to do, to know who is willing to believe & who isn't.

If people saw heaven, or angles, they would believe right away. That's not the goal.

Thats still pretty stupid. If I created a thing that had no way of knowing that I created it and then punished it for not know who I am or listening to my rules then that would make me a colossal prick.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: The goal is to conclude it by yourself. Reaching that conclusion means that you cared.

You cared to do the right thing, you cared to know if your existence has a goal or not.

So for me, it's not like a contract & a deal. I -personally- believe, because I care to know what the truth is.

Well your going about finding the truth out wrong. My first day at secondary school I walked into an RE class and saw a diagram like this:



Although there were far more.

If there were really a god surely there would be a way to tell which religion is right or wrong. But there is not.

I therefore thing the most sensible conclusion to draw considering the lack of evidence for any religion is that they are wrong. I have never heard a convincing argument for the existence of god.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: If there is a god, who created me, then I would like to thank him for what he gave me, as simple as that.

Even if there were a god I'm certainly not sure if it would be worthy of my thanks.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: You were forced to forget that choice, in order to see what your action would be like.

Terrible idea. Considering a god should know what I am going to do before I do it then surely he should have ditched this daft amnesia deal. Otherwise god is to blame for putting me into a situation where I am an atheist.

Quote:If people saw heaven, or angles, they would believe right away. That's not the goal.

The goal is to conclude it by yourself. Reaching that conclusion means that you cared.

That is so remarkably absurd. Why would god give us reason if his biggest requirement is that we completely ignore it?

Reaching that conclusion means that it is what you wanted to believe in the first place, or that you're really gullible.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:41 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Hell can be found in any destination for human trafficking, and why do humans go there?

Usually, because they are unlucky.

I am lucky. I don't do traffic.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:41 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Hell can be found in any destination for human trafficking, and why do humans go there?

Usually, because they are unlucky.

It all comes down to your believe in luck, in religion luck is a myth. People are getting what they worked for.

It's all justice.

(January 23, 2013 at 9:31 am)AtlasS Wrote: It all comes down to your believe in luck, in religion luck is a myth. People are getting what they worked for.

It's all justice.

Okay, what about children born into the parts of the world where they are fortunate to survive into adulthood? What kind of justice is that?

(January 22, 2013 at 3:50 pm)Insanity x Wrote: I may well be mad but not of the voice hearing variety.

-_-"

Quote:Oh really?

66% non christians...more than half of the globe believe that christianity is wrong. That's a large portion there.

Quote:I had mandatory religious education for 5 years at secondary school. I also took it as a subject for my final two years of school for my exams. (That meant double RE lessons some days) then took Philosophy and History of Religion for another 2 years alongside other subjects at college.

If there were a solid argument for god I think I may have heard it by now.

The most solid argument is the one I've been using since I registered in this forum : look up in the natural systems around you.

I couldn't convince anyone, but also nobody was able to convince me that an odd can create such complex systems.

But I assume nobody thinks about it these days, since most missionaries use that argument . (not just christians).

Quote:Thats still pretty stupid. If I created a thing that had no way of knowing that I created it and then punished it for not know who I am or listening to my rules then that would make me a colossal prick.

The signature is in everything you look at. Didn't I tell you that Newton & Einstein reached that conclusion just from observing the universe ?

Quote:"Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues."

Albert Einstein

Now, the guy smelled something fishy. If you still think, that the universe doesn't point to god, then you have a problem. I wouldn't contradict Einstein if I were you.

Everything in the universe points to an intelligent creating. The Quran always told people to meditate the universe.

And the other thing which points to god.. Don't you think that life on earth is just a little bit too easy ? and our main issues come from fellow humans, not from nature ?

Quote:Well your going about finding the truth out wrong. My first day at secondary school I walked into an RE class and saw a diagram like this:



Although there were far more.

If there were really a god surely there would be a way to tell which religion is right or wrong. But there is not.

I therefore thing the most sensible conclusion to draw considering the lack of evidence for any religion is that they are wrong. I have never heard a convincing argument for the existence of god.

Religions are mostly about making sense of things. They don't have an actual evidence, yet it can only reached by logical thinking.

Take christianity for example. The idea of "god" having a "son" is simply wrong. A god who acts like humans doesn't worth the worshipping.

In other religions, the god who allows other gods to tell him what to doesn't worth it either.

A god that looks like humans doesn't worth it either.

To know which religion is right, you first need to have a mind capacity that takes the idea of god with ease.

As far as I read, islam makes the perfect sense out of the idea of god. I will write a topic about that soon.

Quote:Even if there were a god I'm certainly not sure if it would be worthy of my thanks.

The rain ? running water ? electricity ? sight ? taste ? color ? the cherry blossom ??

no man, I would thank him

Quote:Terrible idea. Considering a god should know what I am going to do before I do it then surely he should have ditched this daft amnesia deal. Otherwise god is to blame for putting me into a situation where I am an atheist.

God knows. But it's not about god actually ; it's about you.
being just, god must give you the chance to act freely without his intervention (we're not puppets).

Take it as if it was school. If I was a teacher, I would know if a certain student sucks & going to fail or not (sometimes).

But he must take the exam so his paper would speak instead of me.

God is not a dictator. He also -despite knowing what you're going to do- would not judge you until you finish your cycle.

And you will be judged from your own actions. Notice that god didn't force you to do any, instead he gave you a mind to distinguish .

Electricity comes from god now? So why do all my bills have "British Gas" letterheads?

Sorry Atlas...religions fail at making sense of the world...they always have.


Only idiots would follow a religion now a days in my opinion.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:50 pm)Insanity x Wrote:

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: That subliminal voice is exactly what I'm talking about. Even if it was occasional & quiet.

I may well be mad but not of the voice hearing variety.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Christianity would repel anybody. But you just mentioned up there that you had thoughts, by saying (it's stupid) you're killing it.

Oh really?


http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Why not try to say (what if) ? what if is always a good exercise for the mind.

I had mandatory religious education for 5 years at secondary school. I also took it as a subject for my final two years of school for my exams. (That meant double RE lessons some days) then took Philosophy and History of Religion for another 2 years alongside other subjects at college.

If there were a solid argument for god I think I may have heard it by now.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: lol, yeah it came up weird, let me explain.

Cool.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: You said the forgetting that acceptance is an idiotic thing. But it's the right thing to do, to know who is willing to believe & who isn't.

If people saw heaven, or angles, they would believe right away. That's not the goal.

Thats still pretty stupid. If I created a thing that had no way of knowing that I created it and then punished it for not know who I am or listening to my rules then that would make me a colossal prick.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: The goal is to conclude it by yourself. Reaching that conclusion means that you cared.

You cared to do the right thing, you cared to know if your existence has a goal or not.

So for me, it's not like a contract & a deal. I -personally- believe, because I care to know what the truth is.

Well your going about finding the truth out wrong. My first day at secondary school I walked into an RE class and saw a diagram like this:



Although there were far more.

If there were really a god surely there would be a way to tell which religion is right or wrong. But there is not.

I therefore thing the most sensible conclusion to draw considering the lack of evidence for any religion is that they are wrong. I have never heard a convincing argument for the existence of god.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: If there is a god, who created me, then I would like to thank him for what he gave me, as simple as that.

Even if there were a god I'm certainly not sure if it would be worthy of my thanks.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: You were forced to forget that choice, in order to see what your action would be like.

Terrible idea. Considering a god should know what I am going to do before I do it then surely he should have ditched this daft amnesia deal. Otherwise god is to blame for putting me into a situation where I am an atheist.

There is a book I constantly recommend that shows our common condition and that labels are not a requirement to do either good or bad.

"The New Atheism" By Victor Stenger, says that science DOES have something to say about super natural claims. AND it also goes into the common overlap of the compassionate side and destructive side of the word's religions in that we use labels to feel special when the reality is we are not different.

Ultimately what humans of any religion fail to realize is that evolution was occurring long before our current boarders and political parties and superstitions, and I will continue regardless of winners or losers who base their fortunes or misfortunes on politics or religion.

I also recommend "The God Delusion" By Richard Dawkins and "God Is Not Great" By the late Christopher Hitchens.