(January 23, 2013 at 3:52 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(January 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm)AtlasS Wrote: So children are not innocent ?

Depends if they swallowed the Lego piece intentionally or not.

It never gets old

What a little shit, send him to hell.

(January 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm)AtlasS Wrote: So children are not innocent ?
That idea is extreme, even for an extremist.

Thanks though, I'll will increase my brutality towards children because they're not innocent.

Not innocent in the slightest... have you actually met one of the little buggers? Pure unrefined evil tornado on two legs (or crawling).

Excellent, may all children perish in the fires of righteous hate!

Quote:When they lack the ability to visualize what the conclusion of their actions would be.

No human has the ability to visualize what 'the conclusion' of their actions might be. They really are quite myopic creatures, I've found.

Quote:Full of narcism, I think.

Hey let's not go to gangsta rap.

On the whole, most humans seem to think quite poorly of themselves. The more poor whom exist: the more people who absolutely require outside help if they are to survive.

I don't even know what 'gangsta rap' is...

Quote:If you say so
But it's still up to your distorted image of slavery.

Being A has total control over Being B. Being B is slave to Being A. Doesn't matter if it's a benevolent master: the state of slavery changes not on how the slave is treated.

Quote:evolution was written not to support religion & creation, but the other road.

It's hard to twist it to fit your believe.

I thought the theory claimed that the operation of evolution comes from the need
That's why fish have no hands.
and creatures living in deep layers don't have eyes

That itself is against the idea of creation

do you even know what the idea of creation is ?

I think evolution was written to support creation... because otherwise creation has significant problems with the scientific method that God gave to us. Evolution, it appears, is the tool by which God continues to shape the world, and it even explains his 'absentee' status.

It's very easy to for anything to support my beliefs, because they are wholly true.

Evolution functions not off of need, but off of luck and survival. Which is why creatures with needless mutations tend to not survive, whilst others (with 'beneficial mutations') have a better chance of survival.

At the moment of creation... there was homogeny. Do you even know what creation is?

Quote:Not innocent in the slightest... have you actually met one of the little buggers? Pure unrefined evil tornado on two legs (or crawling).

Change your ideas quickly, or he will come to get you, screaming :

Quote:No human has the ability to visualize what 'the conclusion' of their actions might be. They really are quite myopic creatures, I've found.

Chess players disagree.
Programmers (like me) would also disagree.

Quote:On the whole, most humans seem to think quite poorly of themselves. The more poor whom exist: the more people who absolutely require outside help if they are to survive.

I don't even know what 'gangsta rap' is...

I have a high self esteem, people around me think I'm arrogant (which is true, to some level), but I put my head on the ground five times a day for god.

I don't think I'm poor in comparison with the people ; but with god it's a different story.

Gangsta rap is the art of saying 500,000 words in a minute, describing all the shapes of booties a certain person has shagged, also another 100000 words in 30 seconds describing how badass you are.

Quote:Being A has total control over Being B. Being B is slave to Being A. Doesn't matter if it's a benevolent master: the state of slavery changes not on how the slave is treated.

But it changes according to "whom the slaver is".

Stupid example :

Muslim slaves were able to reach the royal court & even rule. They did actually ; the Mamluks (arabic word for "the slaves" ).
While american slaves (africans) were ; well, Uncle Tom.

Astonishing example :

Slavery to god.

Quote:I think evolution was written to support creation... because otherwise creation has significant problems with the scientific method that God gave to us. Evolution, it appears, is the tool by which God continues to shape the world, and it even explains his 'absentee' status.

It's very easy to for anything to support my beliefs, because they are wholly true.

Evolution functions not off of need, but off of luck and survival. Which is why creatures with needless mutations tend to not survive, whilst others (with 'beneficial mutations') have a better chance of survival.

At the moment of creation... there was homogeny. Do you even know what creation is?

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I'll answer that tomorrow, I want to sleep.

AtlasS Wrote:I guess if all humans believed they are equal & week, then most our problems would simply vanish.

Not if our reaction to that is 'let's rely on god'.

If our reaction is 'let's try to become stronger' as a species, which would require the rejection of religious and national and all other artificial divisions, and attack our problems with reason and science instead of faith and superstition, our problems then might begin to be solved.

(January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Change your ideas quickly, or he will come to get you, screaming

Why should I change my ideas? What are my ideas anyway?

Quote:Chess players disagree.
Programmers (like me) would also disagree.

See.. that's just the thing. In a human's little world, things sometimes happen as they expect. But since humans see so little of the cosmos, I'd liken their ability to foresee their future to that of earthworms.

Quote:I have a high self esteem, people around me think I'm arrogant (which is true, to some level), but I put my head on the ground five times a day for god.

I don't think I'm poor in comparison with the people ; but with god it's a different story.

Good for you, maggot You must be lucky if you're not poor, statistics indicate that the majority of your species is.

Quote:Gangsta rap is the art of saying 500,000 words in a minute, describing all the shapes of booties a certain person has shagged, also another 100000 words in 30 seconds describing how badass you are.

That's pretty impressive, here I didn't know humans could speak so quickly. These individuals must be the paragons of your societies.

Quote:But it changes according to "whom the slaver is".

Stupid example :

Muslim slaves were able to reach the royal court & even rule. They did actually ; the Mamluks (arabic word for "the slaves" ).
While american slaves (africans) were ; well, Uncle Tom.

Astonishing example :

Slavery to god.

No, it still doesn't change, silly boy. Again: you're using the treatment of slaves to designate whether they are or are not slaves... when again: it is irrelevant, since a slave is an owned being. I don't care if your master treats you like the queen of england, if you are owned by your master: you remain his slave.

Quote:I'll answer that tomorrow, I want to sleep.

You'll answer something? I wasn't aware you had the capacity

(January 23, 2013 at 6:25 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

AtlasS Wrote:I guess if all humans believed they are equal & week, then most our problems would simply vanish.

Not if our reaction to that is 'let's rely on god'.

If our reaction is 'let's try to become stronger' as a species, which would require the rejection of religious and national and all other artificial divisions, and attack our problems with reason and science instead of faith and superstition, our problems then might begin to be solved.

Building the land you live at came as a demand in Islam, I'm not calling for hippie like lifestyle, it's the same work & effort to become better, but while not forgetting the fact that we're not that perfect.

People with different religions CAN live together, most problems were not caused by religion only, but deep cultural & racism issues were always there, war history proves that.

But all those foul motives are caused by the idea of "Meh, I'm stronger than anybody else ! why wouldn't I go kick some other savage ass & take some extra land & women " ?

A world of atheists in my opinion is the upcoming apocalypse . Using atomic weapons is easier when there's no after life.

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(January 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 23, 2013 at 1:23 pm)AtlasS Wrote: If it isn't, and evolution is almost the main argument about creation, then can you explain to me why evolution happened, or why the big bang happened ?

the 0.00000000000000001 possibility that it might happen ??

Please clarify this, because not knowing still does not constitute clinging to myth or superstition.

We have knowledge about what the processes of evolution are. We also know scientifically what the past history of the universe was.

The unknowns in science would not and do not and should not cause anyone to go "GOTCHA SO THEREFORE MY FANTASY FILLS IN THAT GAP".

Humans are extremely uncomfortable with "all this" merely being a process, like seasons changing so they project human qualities on the world around them. There is a word for that "anthropomorphism".

Sorry there, I didn't see the comment earlier : )
umm, the guy in the wheel chair, dawkins I guess ? forgot the name, but he's really sick & paralyzed.

He had that documentary, about the cosmos & the big bang, (intro comes in with a creepy voice), I still remember accurately that he said, the big bang was caused by an odd,and he gave the percentage of that odd to happen, it was point 0 something, a really small number.

I'll check it out & quote.

(January 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Building the land you live at came as a demand in Islam, I'm not calling for hippie like lifestyle, it's the same work & effort to become better, but while not forgetting the fact that we're not that perfect.

No, you're calling for a world of superstition and nonsense opposed to one of reason and advancement.

Quote:But all those foul motives are caused by the idea of "Meh, I'm stronger than anybody else ! why wouldn't I go kick some other savage ass & take some extra land & women " ?

Given the early history of your religion, that's a painfully ironic accusation.

Quote:A world of atheists in my opinion is the upcoming apocalypse . Using atomic weapons is easier when there's no after life.

Given the recent history of your religion, that is also a painfully ironic accusation.

(January 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

AtlasS Wrote:Now, the guy smelled something fishy. If you still think, that the universe doesn't point to god, then you have a problem. I wouldn't contradict Einstein if I were you.

Niether should you.

Quote:I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2

6. Albert Einstein: Idea of a Personal God Cannot be Taken Seriously
It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

7. Albert Einstein: Desire for Guidance & Love Creates Belief in Gods
The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. This is the God of Providence, who protects, disposes, rewards, and punishes; the God who, according to the limits of the believer's outlook, loves and cherishes the life of the tribe or of the human race, or even or life itself; the comforter in sorrow and unsatisfied longing; he who preserves the souls of the dead. This is the social or moral conception of God.

http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodr...al-God.htm

He didn't say that there is no god.
And yes, the idea of the personal god is a childlike believe.

I always thought that the idea most religious people have, about the support of god to humans (you know, light comes from the skies ...) is weird.

A) it ends the reason of "humans being in isolation from direct contact with god or angels"

B) It doesn't make any sense when it comes to the concept of the desperation ; where believers should stay in a state where no evidence is there to indicate if god wants to help them or not.

But I always thought it's the small things, a wind blow that makes you look right to see that old poor guy asking for money.

things like that.

But the rules of the universe would not break for one man, or in sometimes ; whole nations.

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Quote:No, you're calling for a world of superstition and nonsense opposed to one of reason and advancement.

And you're calling a world of zombies who have no feelings.
I'm sure your fantasies look like those sick & cold future worlds like the ones in " minority report " or "aliens" !

Ewww !!

Quote:Given the early history of your religion, that's a painfully ironic accusation.

Given the recent & current history of the soviet union & north korea, that's a painfully ironic accusation.

Quote:Given the recent history of your religion, that is also a painfully ironic accusation.

Given stalin...

(January 23, 2013 at 9:50 pm)AtlasS Wrote: And you're calling a world of zombies who have no feelings.
I'm sure your fantasies look like those sick & cold future worlds like the ones in " minority report " or "aliens" !

Yeah, any atheist has said anything even remotely close to that that, ever.

Quote:Given the recent & current history of the soviet union & north korea, that's a painfully ironic accusation.

Neither of which ever marched a single step with the specific aim of advancing atheism. Nice try, though.

"Let's fly a plane into a skyscraper" said no atheist, ever.
"Deat to those who insult Darwin" said no atheist, ever.