The point that you missed is that while you consider your eyesight accurate, there ARE cones and rods that do not function. Your brain makes up data in the absence of stimuli to those affected area. Hence, hallucinations...
If you can't recognise that I see some things as a percentage of "true", then there's not much more we can discuss.
You live in a black and white world, I don't...
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(January 31, 2013 at 12:22 pm)catfish Wrote: The point that you missed is that while you consider you eyesight accurate, there ARE cones and rods that do not function. Your brain makes up data in the absence of stimuli to those affected area. Hence, hallucinations...
If you can't recognise that I see some things as a percentage of "true", then there's not much more we can discuss.
You live in a black and white world, I don't...
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What you really not to not do is tell me what it is I believe, and what it is I see or conduct myself. You have no right nor any authority to tell me anything about myself.
My world is founded upon evidence. If that evidence indicates that the world is black, white, grey, blue, or red, then that's what I'll believe. I'm not going to believe that the world is every colour synonymously just because I can't prove that it isn't every other colour but black or white.

I don't see how depending on multiple supporting points of inference is painting the world as one way or the other, and if you can't explain it to me without dismissing me with false assertions of my views, then you're quite right, we have nothing more to say to each other.

(January 31, 2013 at 12:28 pm)Question Mark Wrote:

(January 31, 2013 at 12:22 pm)catfish Wrote: The point that you missed is that while you consider you eyesight accurate, there ARE cones and rods that do not function. Your brain makes up data in the absence of stimuli to those affected area. Hence, hallucinations...
If you can't recognise that I see some things as a percentage of "true", then there's not much more we can discuss.
You live in a black and white world, I don't...
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What you really not to not do is tell me what it is I believe, and what it is I see or conduct myself. You have no right nor any authority to tell me anything about myself.
My world is founded upon evidence. If that evidence indicates that the world is black, white, grey, blue, or red, then that's what I'll believe. I'm not going to believe that the world is every colour synonymously just because I can't prove that it isn't every other colour but black or white.

I don't see how depending on multiple supporting points of inference is painting the world as one way or the other, and if you can't explain it to me without dismissing me with false assertions of my views, then you're quite right, we have nothing more to say to each other.

You shoudn't even have to respond to such mere mental masturbation. But thats what we have to deal with in all the world.

"My pet deity is real and all others are fake".

The get all bent out of shape when you say,

"Take a number and get in line".

I wouldn't mind, but when people start telling me what it is I think, that's when I get indignant, and I just stop. There's no point talking to dishonest people, or people who so easily mistake what I'm saying when I think I'm being quite clear. If I'm not being clear, point it out and I'll clarify it. Don't just make up something and make a strawman.

(January 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Question Mark Wrote: I wouldn't mind, but when people start telling me what it is I think, that's when I get indignant, and I just stop. There's no point talking to dishonest people, or people who so easily mistake what I'm saying when I think I'm being quite clear. If I'm not being clear, point it out and I'll clarify it. Don't just make up something and make a strawman.

You said originally:
"Unfortunately I don't believe the truth of something is able to be expressed as a percentage, because the reality of something is that it's there, or it's not, but it is only one of those two things, either 100% there, or 100% not there"
I interpretted that as "black or white" It's either true or not according to your words.

I gave you a rather simple explaination of how visual perception is NOT 100% accurate which you did not dispute.
Instead of disputing that "fact", you made excuses for why you trusted it and why you didn't think it was an hallucination.
"Well a hallucination would be when the brain is doing this incorrectly because of some adverse effect, certainly, but I wouldn't say I'm hallucinating when no adverse effects are present. My vision has proven itself reliable to determining my surroundings for the vast majority of my life when I haven't had some detrimental illness or medicine inhibiting my brain's functions"

Without disputing the visual perception analogy, you then reiterate:
" I do not take it on faitht hat there is light present when I see things, I use my other senses at the same time to determine whether what I'm seeing is accurate."

Like I said... If you can't recognise that I see some things as a percentage of "true", then there's not much more we can discuss.

So you call me dishonest, yet believe your visual perceptions which are NOT 100% accurate are in fact, 100% accurate...

Basically what you're doing is asserting that your visual perceptions are 100% accurate using an inaccurate meassuring device. And all of this is done in your head (like mine) based on what?
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(January 31, 2013 at 1:23 pm)catfish Wrote:

(January 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Question Mark Wrote: I wouldn't mind, but when people start telling me what it is I think, that's when I get indignant, and I just stop. There's no point talking to dishonest people, or people who so easily mistake what I'm saying when I think I'm being quite clear. If I'm not being clear, point it out and I'll clarify it. Don't just make up something and make a strawman.

You said originally:
"Unfortunately I don't believe the truth of something is able to be expressed as a percentage, because the reality of something is that it's there, or it's not, but it is only one of those two things, either 100% there, or 100% not there"
I interpretted that as "black or white" It's either true or not according to your words.

I gave you a rather simple explaination of how visual perception is NOT 100% accurate which you did not dispute.
Instead of disputing that "fact", you made excuses for why you trusted it and why you didn't think it was an hallucination.
"Well a hallucination would be when the brain is doing this incorrectly because of some adverse effect, certainly, but I wouldn't say I'm hallucinating when no adverse effects are present. My vision has proven itself reliable to determining my surroundings for the vast majority of my life when I haven't had some detrimental illness or medicine inhibiting my brain's functions"

Without disputing the visual perception analogy, you then reiterate:
" I do not take it on faitht hat there is light present when I see things, I use my other senses at the same time to determine whether what I'm seeing is accurate."

Like I said... If you can't recognise that I see some things as a percentage of "true", then there's not much more we can discuss.

So you call me dishonest, yet believe your visual perceptions which are NOT 100% accurate are in fact, 100% accurate...

Basically what you're doing is asserting that your visual perceptions are 100% accurate using an inaccurate meassuring device. And all of this is done in your head (like mine) based on what?
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This is mental masturbation, it does not address evolutionary biology or even clinical psychology. Someone sold you this crap logic and now you are trying to slip your pet deity in the back door by trying to distract us with elaborate crap.

Stripped down all you are saying is "gap gap gap" and too dense to see that is actually what you are doing and all claimants of gods do.

AND NO our thought processes are NOT like yours.

Personally, I tend to like mental masturbation. Get's the endorphins going an whatnot..

(January 31, 2013 at 11:03 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Personally, I tend to like mental masturbation. Get's the endorphins going an whatnot..

It gets the party started, that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ka0ig8nDQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjWz38ekaNY

All this talk about masturbation... I need some homemade porn now...
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