(February 3, 2013 at 9:12 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 3, 2013 at 9:07 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Really? Because the Catholics so have. And they uphold the Nicene Creed
to a fault.

One can be a Christian and see the effect society has had on their religion, and it doesn't discredit their beliefs. Even Christians with a big C.

Paganism/ animism/ basic beliefs influenced Christianity greatly.

I don't think that was the point being made though. Christianity can cross over with paganism, as it does with every other belief. Atheists often accept the golden rule for example.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

You bought the lie fr0d0, just like most have. I understand perfectly why atheist hate "mainstream Christianity"
Our "worship" was supposed to be in spirit and faith but fuckups like you weren't happy with giving people true free will.

You use lies to support your lies, you use deceit to support all forms of evil as "righteous" and it's obvious to me and I'm sure a lot of people, when pressed with the facts about what is written, you're a blind sheeple.

Sorry for your heavy heart, but my God is a living God...
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catfish Wrote: James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows
in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Looks like gibberish to me.

A true Christian is not concerned with whether they've prayed enough times that day, or if they have read enough scripture in one day, whether they are a true christian in anyone elses' eyes, or whether they've spoken the correct 'creed'. Catfish is saying (I believe) that true undefiled religion that glorifies god is pure unadulterated love. Defining it is not important to god, but to man.

There are two kinds of Christians (despite the 40k denominations). Ones like catfish, and ones like frodo. Personally if it came down to it, I'd put my life in the hands of catfish over frodo, any day.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:07 am)catfish Wrote:

(February 3, 2013 at 9:01 am)Jergus Baca Wrote: CHristianity equally as any old testament religion may it be islam judaism and later on other dominions of Christianity are trying to adapt century by century to the society created by western free thinkers. Christianity especially have been prosecuting these free thinkers for almost 2 000 years and when It failed to provide sufficient evidence for growing intellectual populous it started to adapt everything that fitted the creationist myth and excluded everything that did not (sadly almost 99.9% ) And WHEN there was growing evidence to disprove religion entirely and the existence of god that it stated that science is about physical and religion about metaphysical and you cant mix those 2 together 500 years ago when you said the earth is not the centre of the universe youve been stoned tortured and many times killed When you add up the amount of people that died because of religion and prosecution for secular beliefs you would cry So christianity has no moral values neither any religion if it is able to kill a human being because he believes in otherwise There are many more points and examples i could provide but i think i might have made my point. MY point here is when you operate on tumor make sure you get rid of all of it otherwise it will grow bigger and more vicious than before.

You failed to read the bible I suppose.
You are speaking of men's deeds, not a religion's.

Here is something I believe most of us would agree upon...

James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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That is preposterous religion is obviously there to influence the mans deeds How can you say such a ridiculous thought as you are speaking of mens deeds not a religions. And I!!! failed to read the bible????? If you are saying that those men that have been committing the deeds that I have previously described have THEY not failed to read the bible? If your argument is the bible is a holy scripture that ask of only good deeds and not of bad deeds. Have they not misinterpreted the information? OH what? Bible was written by stupid peasants and fishermen? oh that is right indeed their knowledge of morals and and for that matter any other aspect of social life was zero.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:09 am)catfish Wrote: Catholicism does NOT = Christianity
Catholics = Christians
Ya get me?

Who fucking cares? Seriously.

You're all deluded, you're all the same to me.

Thank you and good night.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:19 am)catfish Wrote: Paganism/ animism/ basic beliefs influenced Christianity greatly.

I don't think that was the point being made though. Christianity can cross over with paganism, as it does with every other belief. Atheists often accept the golden rule for example.

The golden rule is in virtually all religions and it's really the only form of practical morality you really need to know. You don't need hundreds of pages of commandments about how to treat your livestock and slaves.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:19 am)catfish Wrote: You bought the lie fr0d0, just like most have. I understand perfectly why atheist hate "mainstream Christianity"

The majority of atheists don't particularly hate Christianity they just don't think it's true. The same way you don't particularly hate Jains or Zoroastrians.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:19 am)catfish Wrote: You bought the lie fr0d0, just like most have. I understand perfectly why atheist hate "mainstream Christianity"
Our "worship" was supposed to be in spirit and faith but fuckups like you weren't happy with giving people true free will.

You misunderstand cat. And you deny the origins of your personal religion.
Atheists should hate mainstream Christianity. If they do that means we are doing it right.
If you mean they find Christians hypocritical, then that is real. Fisrtly, they lack understanding that being a Christian is an aim to be like Christ. There is no magic cure. People remain human.
Also people are indeed hypocrites.

"People like me"? lol. "Perfect free will"? Am I supposed to have a clue what you're talking about here? Do you know my position on that stuff? That I know the answer to.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:19 am)catfish Wrote: You use lies to support your lies, you use deceit to support all forms of evil as "righteous" and it's obvious to me and I'm sure a lot of people, when pressed with the facts about what is written, you're a blind sheeple.

You seem to harbour a lot of hatred for a perfect christian. You mention 'facts' but all I see is blind literal regurgitation, and no understanding. Yeah you're right and everyone else is wrong. shame you're not open to discuss that.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:19 am)catfish Wrote: 2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Without this you would have nothing to wail on about. You should be happy your god created evil, keeps you busy.

Quote:Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Yes, you have described your faith in simple terms.

Quote:Sorry for your heavy heart, but my God is a living God...

Your god only lives because you constantly feed it blood of the innocent. Let the bastard starve!

I don't "discuss" with liars and trolls. I toy with them...
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(February 3, 2013 at 9:32 am)renew Wrote: Your god only lives because you constantly feed it blood of the innocent. Let the bastard starve!

Where do you get that notion from, the Bible?
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Quote:Who fucking cares? Seriously.

You're all deluded, you're all the same to me.

Thank you and good night.

Understandable point of view, seriously.

I care, because when it comes down to it: catfish upholds the true teachings of his god, the spirit that was intended by god if he did exist--untainted by man and his ridiculousness. There are two kinds of christians, practicing and pretending. Practicing christians are not harmful in any way. I care because most politicians in my country don't get the true spirit of their own religion, hence all the harmful effects athiests have discourse over like the religions' 'beliefs' overspilling into legislation.

Quote:frOdo:
Atheists should hate mainstream Christianity. If they do that means we are doing it right

No, it just means you're an idiot, like I said the other day.

(February 3, 2013 at 9:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You seem to harbour a lot of hatred for a perfect christian.

First you have to find a perfect christian.....