(February 4, 2013 at 9:40 am)Zone Wrote: The context being the word of the supreme God of all the universe. Though I suppose you have to cherry pick out the parts that humans must have inserted into it. That would be anything you don't agree with by your own moral standards which aren't derived from your religion but taken from secular Western society.

The word of the most supreme God is in the correct interpretation of the text. Not in the misreading of it. I assure you I will try my hardest to find out exactly what it says and shy away from none of it.

Secular moral standards dictate to those who don't care to think about their own

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 9:40 am)Zone Wrote: The context being the word of the supreme God of all the universe. Though I suppose you have to cherry pick out the parts that humans must have inserted into it. That would be anything you don't agree with by your own moral standards which aren't derived from your religion but taken from secular Western society.

The word of the most supreme God is in the correct interpretation of the text. Not in the misreading of it. I assure you I will try my hardest to find out exactly what it says and shy away from none of it.

Secular moral standards dictate to those who don't care to think about their own

Wiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Secular morals are what common law is. It is what prevents the west from the fascism of Stalin and the theocracies of the dark ages.

Since our governments in the west are not run on religion we do not owe you or your superstition any loyalty oath.

(February 4, 2013 at 2:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: This isn't my brother in Christ. Catfish, love his cotton socks, is a brother in faith to me as much add you are my sister, assuming you aren't a Christian as is widely defined by the Christian Church which encompasses some forty thousand denominations, all of which I would happily refer to as brothers and sisters in Christ.

So, now that you know that I want proof everytime you say I'm not a Christian, you're gonna say it again???

Put up or shut up man, or else everyone here will know that you don't what you're talking about...

Patiently awaiting your denial, deflection, outright lie and major ad-hom*
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(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The word of the most supreme God is in the correct interpretation of the text.

The thing about interpretation is that you can make something mean whatever you would like it to mean, there is a great deal of flexibility there.

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Not in the misreading of it. I assure you I will try my hardest to find out exactly what it says and shy away from none of it.

It says things like "Do not wear clothing woven from two different kinds of thread." in there. Ok so Jesus lets us off from having to follow all these rules and regulations we're meant to follow. Or the Jews were meant to follow three thousand years ago anway. There is slavery in there of course. I don't know why the creator of the universe wouldn't have told his chosen his chosen people that slavery is wrong, and make them distinct in some real tangible sense. Rather than how you aren't to blame if a slave dies after three days of you beating him. It doesn't really get off to a good start and the New Testament doesn't do much to improve on it.

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Secular moral standards dictate to those who don't care to think about their own

To some extent the morals we have are the product of the culture we live in. I would like to think I wouldn't be a fullblown anti-semitic Nazi if I lived in 1930s Germany but then a 1930s German is not different to myself in any fundamental way at all so there's no good reason why I wouldn't have been.

(February 4, 2013 at 12:18 pm)Zone Wrote: To some extent the morals we have are the product of the culture we live in. I would like to think I wouldn't be a fullblown anti-semitic Nazi if I lived in 1930s Germany but then a 1930s German is not different to myself in any fundamental way at all so there's no good reason why I wouldn't have been.

We could never be friends then...
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(February 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm)catfish Wrote: We could never be friends then...
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You would be as well if you were a 1930s German. They weren't any different from us other than the culture they lived in.

(February 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Zone Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm)catfish Wrote: We could never be friends then...
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You would be as well if you were a 1930s German. They weren't any different from us other than the culture they lived in.

No, I wouldn't. That's why we couldn't be friends. You are admitting that the masses can change you. I am saying that I would fight against it at every turn. You'd be an enemy to reason and I'd be there to tell you, just like I'm telling you now...
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(February 4, 2013 at 12:28 pm)catfish Wrote: No, I wouldn't.

Do you think a German from the 1930s is genetically different from you in some way? There isn't a Jew hating gene you know, a Jew hating meme perhaps, and that's just what you would have in that situation.

It's worth noting that very few Germans knew of what was actually happening to the Jews. The general belief was that the Jews were being deported to their own enclaves to live amoung their own kind where they wouldn't be bothering the pure German stock. And of course the vast majority of Germans were Christians, they considered themselves to have traditional Christian values.

Are you admitting to being a sheeple? Is that what you're trying to say I'd be?
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(February 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm)catfish Wrote: Are you admitting to being a sheeple? Is that what you're trying to say I'd be?
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I have a set moral values that are pretty standard and typical within the society in which I live exactly the same as yourself. If you think you would still have 21st century Western moral values had you you been taken back in time at birth to just after WW1 and brought up in Germany at that time then you are mistaken. You would adhere to the standards of that culture the same way you're adhering to the standards of this current culture we have. Unless you think you are somehow genetically "superior" to 1930s Germans? A member of some kind of master race?