I don't believe their books, your books, or any books yet to come...
I believe my heart, my faith and my logic when it tells me the work of men's hands have been involved.

Do you mean to tell me that there isn't at least one Sura, verse, or letter in the Qu'ran that turns your stomache? One verse that you ignore or don't follow completely? One verse that you follow that pains your heart? Not one???
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(February 7, 2013 at 10:26 am)catfish Wrote: I don't believe their books, your books, or any books yet to come...
I believe my heart, my faith and my logic when it tells me the work of men's hands have been involved.

Do you mean to tell me that there isn't at least one Sura, verse, or letter in the Qu'ran that turns your stomache? One verse that you ignore or don't follow completely? One verse that you follow that pains your heart? Not one???
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Right now in the moment, no, not even one.
The reason is god, simply. When I realized what god really means, and made my logic to reach that conclusion, I accepted all the Quran.

I used to hate many verses in the Quran, and I wished if they were never revealed. But I thought that when I putted my logic in the same level as god's.

I dropped those feelings when I became unbiased ; putting my solution on a situation, then putting god's solution.
For some reason, the solutions of the Quran always win in logic.

What's your worst verse in the Quran ?

It would change based on how they were used in real life.
If someone wants to behead me for not praying a certain way, it would be whatever they used to support that notion.
If someone wants to use a verse to say that I'm not a child of God, it would be that verse...
If someone tries to convince me that believing blindly is commanded, it would be that one... etc, etc, etc...
Basically any verse that is used to oppress another...
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(February 7, 2013 at 11:02 am)catfish Wrote: It would change based on how they were used in real life.
If someone wants to behead me for not praying a certain way, it would be whatever they used to support that notion.
If someone wants to use a verse to say that I'm not a child of God, it would be that verse...
If someone tries to convince me that believing blindly is commanded, it would be that one... etc, etc, etc...
Basically any verse that is used to oppress another...
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Then, you need to go to the original verse ; the root, and try to know why such verse is there, when to be used, and how it might affect life around you.

It's hard to take you seriously.

(February 6, 2013 at 9:24 am)AtlasS Wrote: Even today, we often look at christians as "lost brothers & sisters", not as enemies of Islam.

Now my question to christians is : why don't you pay us the same respect ?

The Bible makes it clear, as I've pointed out to you, that any other message, apart from the Good News, is a lie, is wrong, is the teachings of the antichrist, is against God. For instance, you have been taught that Jesus is a prophet of God. Just like Muhammad, the paedophile who is single-handedly responsible for Muslims consummating their marriages with pre-pubescent children (don't try and deny this and claim that the Quran makes it clear you have to wait for the kids to have their first mensual cycle).

Yeah a religion that follows and worships a paedophile who is totally against my religion is certainly worthy of my respect.

(February 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm)Aractus Wrote: It's hard to take you seriously.

(February 6, 2013 at 9:24 am)AtlasS Wrote: Even today, we often look at christians as "lost brothers & sisters", not as enemies of Islam.

Now my question to christians is : why don't you pay us the same respect ?

The Bible makes it clear, as I've pointed out to you, that any other message, apart from the Good News, is a lie, is wrong, is the teachings of the antichrist, is against God. For instance, you have been taught that Jesus is a prophet of God. Just like Muhammad, the paedophile who is single-handedly responsible for Muslims consummating their marriages with pre-pubescent children (don't try and deny this and claim that the Quran makes it clear you have to wait for the kids to have their first mensual cycle).

Yeah a religion that follows and worships a paedophile who is totally against my religion is certainly worthy of my respect.

When debating christians, things must get personal at first, I might say the same about you, but I take religion seriously, and I would also take you seriously : )

Quote:The Bible makes it clear, as I've pointed out to you, that any other message, apart from the Good News, is a lie, is wrong, is the teachings of the antichrist, is against God.

Then, why do you consider jews lost if they refused Jesus ? obviously, they also had scripts telling them that nobody is coming after them.
Your pastor says..

Quote:Anyone who does not believe in Christ has chosen instead to remain apart from God.

http://askthepastors.wordpress.com/2010/...g-to-hell/

Quote:For instance, you have been taught that Jesus is a prophet of God. Just like Muhammad, the paedophile who is single-handedly responsible for Muslims consummating their marriages with pre-pubescent children (don't try and deny this and claim that the Quran makes it clear you have to wait for the kids to have their first mensual cycle).

Quote:And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

Quote:When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14

Quote:How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11

You know...I have to admit
Now I really can't take you seriously

Quote:Yeah a religion that follows and worships a paedophile who is totally against my religion is certainly worthy of my respect.

Quote:if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10

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(February 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Then, why do you consider jews lost if they refused Jesus ? obviously, they also had scripts telling them that nobody is coming after them.
Your pastor says..

1. No they don't (read your Bible). 2. They still expect the promised Messiah to come! Jesus is the messiah that was promised in the OT. That was prophesied about in the OT. Nowhere in the Bible does it predict/prophecy/promise that another prophet of God will come AFTER Christ. 3. The Jews are the same as any other non-Christian. There is no distinction, nor should there be.

(February 7, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Aractus Wrote:

(February 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Then, why do you consider jews lost if they refused Jesus ? obviously, they also had scripts telling them that nobody is coming after them.
Your pastor says..

1. No they don't (read your Bible). 2. They still expect the promised Messiah to come! Jesus is the messiah that was promised in the OT. That was prophesied about in the OT. Nowhere in the Bible does it predict/prophecy/promise that another prophet of God will come AFTER Christ. 3. The Jews are the same as any other non-Christian. There is no distinction, nor should there be.

1- How are they going to get salvation if they didn't believe in Jesus's sacrifice ?

2-It's not as simple as you describe it : )
http://www.gotquestions.org/Muhammad-Bible.html

Quote:Second, in Song of Solomon 5:16, the maiden says of her lover, "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The word translated as "lovely" is the Hebrew word machamadim. It is the plural of machamad, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad, it does not follow that the verse refers to Muhammad, especially since the word used is a plural adjective, not the name of a person.

Translation errors are severe in the bible..and even when the word revealed, nobody believes in it.. it's still wrong, even though

Quote:It is the plural of machamad, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad

If the prophecies you refer to about jesus are so clear in the way they written at in the bible, then jews would've believed. just like the trinity, even though it's 3, it's also 1.

3-Great.

(February 7, 2013 at 4:16 pm)AtlasS Wrote:

(February 7, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Aractus Wrote: 1. No they don't (read your Bible). 2. They still expect the promised Messiah to come! Jesus is the messiah that was promised in the OT. That was prophesied about in the OT. Nowhere in the Bible does it predict/prophecy/promise that another prophet of God will come AFTER Christ. 3. The Jews are the same as any other non-Christian. There is no distinction, nor should there be.

1- How are they going to get salvation if they didn't believe in Jesus's sacrifice ?

Sacrifices are sick, plain and simple. Yeshua taught how to gain "eternal" life, all you have to do is read...
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(February 6, 2013 at 12:24 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Why would I lie about history or my holly book ?

That has to be the fucking funniest thing I've read today.

I rather suspect you don't intentionally tell falsehoods, you're just too stupid and ignorant to realize how many actual falsehoods drip from your mouth.