It was aimmed at atheists who continue to claim that there is no evidence for God as if they are all-knowing, and that their lack of evidence some how means that there is no possible evidence someone else could have. Its the lack of open-mindedness which I had a problem with.

I dont have a problem with asking for evidence, but I dont have a problem with asking for unrealistic evidence.

Quote:It was aimmed at atheists who continue to claim that there is no evidence for God

There is No Evidence for your precious fucking god or any of the others invented throughout the centuries. What you have is BELIEF and you are welcome to it, to a point, but don't confuse yourself that your beliefs are factual.

Put it this way, there is no more evidence for the existence of God than there is for the existence of highly advanced alien life that takes on the same role. Every piece of evidence cited for God, such as design in nature, "miracles", and whatever else they throw at us, has a perfectly rational explanation, and when it doesn't (yet), there is nothing to distinguish it from the work of advanced beings rather than omnipotent ones.

On the scale of rationality, limited beings come a damn slight higher up than unlimited ones.

Minimalist: Its always good to see an open mind

Tiberius: I disagree that all theistic arguements can be dismissed and i think theres better reason to believe in God than super aliens.

You should guard against having so open a mind that your brain falls out. Perhaps a bit late in your case.

Your conception of 'god' is a figment of your imagination. You are trying to peddle it to people who have already rejected it outright.

solarwave, some of us here were actually former Christians ourselves before we became atheists. I had an open mind to Christianity and its god once for a few years, but after knowing what I know now belief for me is impossible. In fact I find all religions, especially Christianity as an insult to anyones intelligence and am astounded that it continues to thrive. The fact that it is still prevalent in our modern day and age just goes to show that there will always be those that are more than willing to commit intellectual suicide and let go and let god.

(November 8, 2009 at 3:21 pm)solarwave Wrote: Minimalist: Its always good to see an open mind

Tiberius: I disagree that all theistic arguements can be dismissed and i think theres better reason to believe in God than super aliens.

Without using the bible; why?

Yeah, M/B, this should be a good one.

(November 8, 2009 at 8:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You should guard against having so open a mind that your brain falls out. Perhaps a bit late in your case.

Your conception of 'god' is a figment of your imagination. You are trying to peddle it to people who have already rejected it outright.

But you arn't guarding it so your brains dont fall out, your on full lockdown it seems.

(November 9, 2009 at 12:57 am)chatpilot Wrote: solarwave, some of us here were actually former Christians ourselves before we became atheists. I had an open mind to Christianity and its god once for a few years, but after knowing what I know now belief for me is impossible. In fact I find all religions, especially Christianity as an insult to anyones intelligence and am astounded that it continues to thrive. The fact that it is still prevalent in our modern day and age just goes to show that there will always be those that are more than willing to commit intellectual suicide and let go and let god.

Does that not prove that we are faulty humans who get it wrong? What is it that makes your current atheism something to hold on to so strongly more than theism? If you were once a christian you once thought you were right about that, so why is it you think your belief in atheism stands on just soild ground when you think you have got it wrong before?

(November 9, 2009 at 10:59 am)Meatball Wrote:

(November 8, 2009 at 3:21 pm)solarwave Wrote: Minimalist: Its always good to see an open mind

Tiberius: I disagree that all theistic arguements can be dismissed and i think theres better reason to believe in God than super aliens.

Without using the bible; why?

For practical purposes. If it seems as if the Christian God is real based on my life experiences of Him, then it is more practical to believe in Him than to think its some crazy alien having a laugh. I think this is where pascals wager has some force to it. Pascals wager obviously doesn't convert atheists, but what it does do is give a reason to have faith in the option which is mostly likely to give a good outcome to you.

Where is the evidence whatsoever, supporting Pascal's wager in order to give it any actual merit?

In other words: Where is the actual evidence that atheists are more likely to go to hell or get any less benefits after death than Christians do? And where is the evidence that Christians are any more likely to go to heaven, or get any more benefits than Atheists do?

Well, the bible says it. But does that make it so? The bible is true because the bible is true because the bible is true? Is that, fallacious circular reasoning good enough? I think not. And if not, what on earth have you got to go by when using the pathetic argument that is 'Pascal's wager'.

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