(March 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(March 19, 2013 at 8:44 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not sure what downside a modern diet would have relative to that.

I was thinking a little too many calories maybe?

And more heart disease?

Nothing prevented our ancestors from consuming too many calories, at least nothing different from what might prevent us from the same today - nor would they have understood the effects of this in any case. Heart disease, similarly, though long thought to be relatively recent, turns out to have been with us for quiet some time.

Quote:One example is that many people in parts of Asia even drink their own piss as an alternative medicine for things like the common cold, high blood pressure, constipation, cancer, and for many other things, and some of them think that the urine is the ultimate fountain of youth because of it's so-called "therapeutic" effects.

I don't know, Rayaan. There are a LOT of the bastards.

(March 19, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Nothing prevented our ancestors from consuming too many calories, at least nothing different from what might prevent us from the same today - nor would they have understood the effects of this in any case.

But nowadays there is more food around us and they also tend to come in larger portions/sizes than before which cause people to eat more while, at the same time, makes them more and more addicted to the food. And that is the one of the main reasons for the rise of obesity, I believe.

(March 19, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Heart disease, similarly, though long thought to be relatively recent, turns out to have been with us for quiet some time.

I agree, but the point is that heart disease is a lot more common than before (especially in America) and it can be directly linked to the type of foods we eat.

American Diet Fuelling Heart Disease And Diabetes Rates In Southeast Asia

Negative Health Effects as Western-Style Diet Spreads Eastward

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(March 19, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You are telling the whole internet that you chugged your own piss?

Yeah ... so what? I didn't really find it that embarrassing for myself. Maybe you would. I did worse things than that which I'm not going to say.

And I wasn't quite "chugging" it. I drank it from a small a medicine cup, in small sips.

(March 19, 2013 at 9:52 pm)Rayaan Wrote: But nowadays there is more food around us and they also tend to come in larger portions/sizes than before which cause people to eat more while, at the same time, makes them more and more addicted to the food. And that is the one of the main reasons for the rise of obesity, I believe.

More food around you and I Rayaan, you and I. A vast portion of the globe does not suffer from this "problem" - though I bet they wouldn't mind bearing our burden for awhile. Are you of the opinion that there were no chubby cavefolks?

Quote:I agree, but the point is that heart disease is a lot more common than before (especially in America) and it can be directly linked to the type of foods we eat.

Signs of heart disease were found in a significant portion of mummies from egypt, peru, and north america. Similar signs have been found in fossilized remains a great deal older (and widely spread around the globe). Bear in mind that soft tissue doesn't "keep well" but judging from those samples we have that can tell us something about the prevalence of heart disease.........a picture altogether different from what we assumed for some time emerges. Keep in mind that our current statistics (34% of the mummies, for example, showed the signs of heart disease -granted we don't know that this is what killed them - nor is the sample size as exhaustive, whereas only 25% of our deaths here in the US are due to the same) account for longer lifespans and the complications that arise from it which are also directly tied to heart disease. Surprisingly, we found evidence of heart disease (in significant percentages of population) in societies that were dyed in the wool hunter gatherers all the way up into the 1900's (aluetians being a prime example). Now, we could raise objections to any of this, if we wished, and offer an alternative as to how we ended up with the data we did.

(March 19, 2013 at 9:52 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(March 19, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You are telling the whole internet that you chugged your own piss?

Yeah ... so what? I didn't really find it that embarrassing for myself. Maybe you would. I did worse things than that which I'm not going to say.

And I wasn't quite "chugging" it. I drank it from a small a medicine cup, in small sips.

Are you Bear Grylls by any chance?

P.S. You have no idea how much restraint it took to not post a "Better drink my own piss" meme.

I don't buy into this “addicted to food" shit, BTW. I've got a book here on my kindle app that's supposed to lay that out, but I'm skeptical.

Actually there was a very recent article about the findings of heart disease in mummies.

http://www.voanews.com/content/mummies-h...20605.html

Quote:Hardening of the arteries, or atherosclerosis, is often described as a lifestyle disease resulting from smoking, poor diet, and a lack of exercise.

Now, a team of U.S. scientists has found new evidence that the disease has been around since long before our modern lifestyle.

Quote:"We’ve concluded that this disease is inherent to human aging," Thompson said at a meeting of the American College of Cardiology, "and that it’s not particularly characteristic of any diet or lifestyle."

Chalk this up as another piece of evidence against "intelligent design." God would be one fucking shitty designer.

It's not only foods that are supposed to be 'natural' '-__-

That's an interesting read, thanks for posting the link.

I started following a low-carb diet in 2009 and was able to lose weight and feel better, and so I started reading more and searching for more information. I think what helped most is that I was avoiding some foods that, although I really enjoyed them, did a number on my GI tract (granola and oatmeal in particular, sigh). The thing is, as I read through various blogs and sites, what constituted "paleo" depending on whatever flavor of snake oil the blog writer was peddling. There was even one that went from promoting paleo based on how our ancestors ate meat and few greens, to disavowing paleo because our ancestors ate more greens and less meat. I never did understand how the eating habits of nomadic hunter/foragers who died young could help me feel better and live longer today.

I've had good results with paelo (read raw) and dogs. But... they were dogs not people.