(March 24, 2013 at 2:25 am)jstrodel Wrote: Now produce evidence that miracles are incompatible with logic.

A man enters the hospital and wants to be cured of an incurable disease. The doctors do everything they can, and eventually he is cured. The man and his family thank god.

Thanking god would be illogical because god had nothing to do with it. The doctors did all the work to save the man's life.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:25 am)jstrodel Wrote: I am not arguing that a testimony is sufficient evidence to prove spiritual experience was genuine, that would be difficult to do. But a testimony is evidence.


Now produce evidence that miracles are incompatible with logic.

You admit that your evidence is insufficient to prove your claim, and you demand a rebuttal?

You rebut yourself.

P.S. I never claimed any such thing, asshole.

Quote:Mr Infidel I have $1000 dollars in the bank. If you can produce a single logical argument that shows how miracles are impossible, I will give it to you. I know that you aren't going to respond, because you don't know how to do real logic, but I promise I will give it to you, if you can demonstrate how miracles are incompatible with logic.

Please try. Please. I love you and I want desperately to see how brainwashed you are by atheism. Please just try, even for my sake.

You weren't jokin Infidel.

What does the word "illogical" mean?

(March 24, 2013 at 2:30 am)jstrodel Wrote: What does the word "illogical" mean?

It means the opposite of what you think it means, because you have a preconceived notion of what it already means that will automatically contradict any type of reason.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:28 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(March 24, 2013 at 2:25 am)jstrodel Wrote: I am not arguing that a testimony is sufficient evidence to prove spiritual experience was genuine, that would be difficult to do. But a testimony is evidence.


Now produce evidence that miracles are incompatible with logic.

You admit that your evidence is insufficient to prove your claim, and you demand a rebuttal?

You rebut yourself.

P.S. I never claimed any such thing, asshole.

Do you live in a black or white world where things are either proven or are worthless?

jstrodel Wrote:
What does the word "illogical" mean?

another grammer misdirect. good gravy maisy.


Do you live in a black or white world where things are either proven or are worthless?

That's a black and white question, just saying.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:31 am)jstrodel Wrote:

(March 24, 2013 at 2:28 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You admit that your evidence is insufficient to prove your claim, and you demand a rebuttal?

You rebut yourself.

P.S. I never claimed any such thing, asshole.

Do you live in a black or white world where things are either proven or are worthless?

No.

However, I do notice you're moving the goalposts.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:31 am)Mr Infidel Wrote:

(March 24, 2013 at 2:30 am)jstrodel Wrote: What does the word "illogical" mean?

It means the opposite of what you think it means, because you have a preconceived notion of what it already means that will automatically contradict any type of reason.

I have a textbook philosophical definition of the word because I studied formal logic in college. I got almost straight A's in college philosophy classes. That was about 7 years ago. I am not saying that to brag, I am just pointing out that when you use the term logical, it isn't in any standard sense of the term.

When you use the term logical, it is almost like you are equating the word with a value judgement. But logic isn't really a value judgement, it is mathematical relationships that create formally valid statements that flow from premises to conclusion.

I am just pointing this out to help you realize that you don't have any understanding of the philosophy of religion, which is the field of study which seeks to understand whether God exists, or theology, which is the science of God. I am not saying this to insult you, I just want you to realize that the statements that you make about religion do not demonstrate, that is, the conclusions of the statements are not evident from the deductive reasoning (that is, the reasoning is deduced, it flows, from self evident statements to conclusions).

What I am trying to say is, you aren't arguing any points at all. You are just repeating atheist propaganda.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:35 am)jstrodel Wrote: I have a textbook philosophical definition of the word because I studied formal logic in college.

See if you can get your money back, because man, they ripped you off.