(March 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Define faith. I bet you will turn to m-w.com, the source that theologians use to define terms like that (hahah).

Reading your posts is starting to make me glad I quit religion.

Webster's dictionary defines faith as firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

This helps your argument how exactly?

(March 25, 2013 at 7:42 am)Sagasa Wrote:

(March 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Define faith. I bet you will turn to m-w.com, the source that theologians use to define terms like that (hahah).

Reading your posts is starting to make me glad I quit religion.

Webster's dictionary defines faith as firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

This helps your argument how exactly?

I'll save him the trouble of typing out a response: The dictionary obviously has a leftist bias and is trying to brainwash you...or something.

(March 24, 2013 at 2:54 am)jstrodel Wrote: Only people with exceptionally small minds think that dictionary definitions prove things.

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The bible says "faith is evidence of things unseen"
I disagree and have no problem saying that the bible is wrong with regards to the definition of faith.

Though, maybe it is right; in which case, we should allow 'faith' in the courtrooms, exams, competitions and identity-proof.
Faith isn't a desirable trait to have.

I have faith that my car will start tomorrow.

Ya know what is really weird??

Being able to manipulate the universe to your own specific needs. (which I MUST remind all and sundry - are essentially petty and easy to accommodate)

At a sub-atomic level the universe (and everything in it) is just "smoke and mirrors" at a macro level the universe is just"smoke and mirrors" pretty yes, absorbingly diverse yes pertinent to this hominid on an unregarded planet 3rd out from an insignificant star called Sol (of all things! ) I mean really!

And you are worried about a book? Written by illiterates about superstitions that existed over 2,000 years ago?

You know what is "unseen"? The affection your spouse/ child/ parents/ friends/collegues have for you, the belief that YOU CAN make a difference and the fact that as a species we are still here.

THAT is what is "unseen" the rest? Just mind wanking mate imho

(March 25, 2013 at 11:59 am)catfish Wrote: I have faith that my car will start tomorrow.

I believe I will wake up in the morning, based on reasonable expectations, based on the fact that I've woken up every morning for 18 years.

Slightly different to believing there's some supernatural entity just outside the universe because it says so in a book.

Quote:From demonstrating it to you, that is true.

Empirical evidence should be demonstrable to anyone.

Your personal holy brain farts do not impress me in the least.

(March 25, 2013 at 12:07 pm)Joel Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 11:59 am)catfish Wrote: I have faith that my car will start tomorrow.

I believe I will wake up in the morning, based on reasonable expectations, based on the fact that I've woken up every morning for 18 years.

Slightly different to believing there's some supernatural entity just outside the universe because it says so in a book.

But cars wear out and break. And I don't believe in things because of a book...

They do wear out and break. Humans also die in their sleep. That's exactly the point I'm making.
Just because we believe something, doesn't mean it's true.

(March 25, 2013 at 12:24 pm)Joel Wrote: They do wear out and break. Humans also die in their sleep. That's exactly the point I'm making.
Just because we believe something, doesn't mean it's true.

I thought the point you were trying to make was "Faith isn't a desirable trait to have". I believe I showed you how that is untrue.