(March 27, 2013 at 2:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why would Allah misguide anyone?

Same reason our loving Lord would misguide anyone. Some people have to be "objects of wrath" to satisfy his sadistic glee on judgment day.

(March 27, 2013 at 6:04 am)Peaceful Islam Wrote: ........And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah). Surah bakra, verse:26

I don't believe that was translated into english very well. Try taking 'thereby' out of the sentence... is the remaining sentence the intention of the verse?

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(March 27, 2013 at 8:56 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(March 27, 2013 at 8:24 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Harry Potter had a better author.

Which isn't saying much.

Sure it is... the religious text in question is a very dry read. Harry Potter, on the other hand, even goes so far as to have a freaking plot

Since we're quoting random shit from the Big Book of Holy Q'Crap(!), how about this verse? Prepare for a rollicking good time when ol' Mo is around:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Thus spake, the Religion of Peace.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:21 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:

(March 27, 2013 at 8:56 am)Faith No More Wrote: Which isn't saying much.

Sure it is... the religious text in question is a very dry read. Harry Potter, on the other hand, even goes so far as to have a freaking plot

"The Bible: for once, NOT a better love story than Twilight"

O muslims keep these words in mind

GO BLOW FUCKING ALLAH OUT YOUR ASS

(March 27, 2013 at 8:29 am)Tonus Wrote: Just so there are no disappointments, I'd like my 72 virgins to be curvy redheads with just a bit of a temperament. Thanks.

I want mine drunk and slutty.

(March 27, 2013 at 2:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why would Allah misguide anyone?

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/0...eople.html

Quote:How does Allah misguide?

Now is the question as to how Allah misguides? This is plainly told in the Quran.

"If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!" (Quran 4:115)

So Allah misguides the evil doers and those who reject the guidance brought by the Messenger by letting him follow the path they choose.

There are also different levels (or degrees) of guidance:

Quote:The Holy Quran speaks of certain Guidance on certain degrees. The first degree of guidance is universal and is granted to all beings, living and otherwise:

"He said: 'Our Lord is He Who gave to each (created) thing its form and nature, and further, gave (it) guidance.'" (Quran 20:50)

This means Allah has given every creation a particular function and then guided it to correspond to its role in the scheme of things. This guidance is granted to everything and everyone, men, jinns, animals, plants and all the other creation.

The second degree is only for men and the jinn i.e. creation that will be help accountable for its deeds. This guidance is always there and one is free to work for it or reject it.

"By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it; And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right; Truly he succeeds that purifies it, And he fails that corrupts it!"

And third degree of guidance is for those who heed to the message of Truth and grants them more help in their pursuit of righteousness.

"But to those who receive Guidance, He increases the (light of) Guidance, and bestows on them their Piety and Restraint (from evil)." (Quran 47:17)

So when Allah says that He does not guide people it only refers to the third degree of guidance and this He does only because they do not show the yearning for what is the prerequisite for it.

There are many other Quranic verses about Allah's guidance {hidaya) aside from the ones that the OP quoted which you can see in the link that I posted (above). Those two or three verses in the OP doesn't give us a complete picture in regards to the question of guidance.

But, yeah, I'm already aware that you guys are not going to believe any of this in the first place ... these are only fairy tales ...

What a weird title for a thread.

(March 27, 2013 at 2:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why would Allah misguide anyone?

Allah guides not the people who are AlFasiqun (the rebellious and disobedient). ...
SahihAl-bukhariVol.4-Ahadith2738-3648

(March 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm)Peaceful Islam Wrote:

(March 27, 2013 at 2:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why would Allah misguide anyone?

Allah guides not the people who are AlFasiqun (the rebellious and disobedient). ...
SahihAl-bukhariVol.4-Ahadith2738-3648

That does not answer the question.