Godschild wrote:

Quote:I really get tired of nonbelievers saying, God created the devil, time and time again Christians have give proof through the scriptures God did not create the devil, why do you persist in saying He did.

(March 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: I never implied an excuse, I gave an explanation of a loving God that could not have created evil. Though before creation God was not a judge, He had nothing to set as judge over, He became the judge after Lucifer fell to his own self righteousness. My question to anyone who believes God created evil ie. satan, does one create something he would so abhor just to be judge of the very thing he hates? There is no scriptural support for God creating evil. There is substantial support that God could not create anything outside of who He is.

So, God created everything, except evil, yet evil exists as something God did not create and has no direct control over. The only explanation is that The Adversary is a God in his own right, who is powerful enough to constantly thwart God, and that is why people have homo sex and listen to gangster rap.

I like how you are questioning the sense of your religion, but those are questions you have to answer, not us. Why does God create a being he knows will betray him and introduce evil into the world? There are only two logical answers

1. God is omnipotent and omniscient and desired to have evil introduced into the world. A being who knows everything does everything purposefully. He creates a being he knows is going to rebel and spread evil in his world. This is intentional and entirely by God's design. Evil can only persist in a world governed by an omnipotent being if that being wants it there.

God is omniscient and omnipotent, this is the very reason satan's powers are limited. Satan is no threat to God himself, however if satan was not restrained he would have long ago destroyed humanity.

When God created the universe there was no evil, evil was never created. Evil came into existence with Lucifer's disobedience to God. Love and truth were never created, they are part of who God is, they have always existed. Anything that's against who God is, is evil ie. sin, so evil came through Lucifer with his disobedience to God, satan has spread this evil ever since. God does not nor ever did want evil to be, He does allow it to exist to prove to creation that love, truth, obedience and ect. are greater than evil. So it's not wanted by God, but it will be judged by Him, and a complete end will be put to evil.

The Omniscient God of Unintended Consequences...hehehe.

(I like how you slipped obedience in there btw)

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bollocks!!! I posted this in the wrong thread! I am sorry!

(March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: God is omniscient and omnipotent, this is the very reason satan's powers are limited. Satan is no threat to God himself, however if satan was not restrained he would have long ago destroyed humanity.

So, what's the reason why Satan has powers at all?

Quote:When God created the universe there was no evil, evil was never created. Evil came into existence with Lucifer's disobedience to God.

God created Lucifer knowing in advance precisely what he would do and why he would do it. Therefore, God created evil. It was not an accident.

Quote:Love and truth were never created, they are part of who God is, they have always existed. Anything that's against who God is, is evil ie. sin, so evil came through Lucifer with his disobedience to God, satan has spread this evil ever since.

It must be hard rationalizing all this nonsense.

God is omniscient, too. He knew that creating Lucifer would result in evil. It is, therefore, his fault and no one else's. Lucifer, after all, is just a creation. It cannot act in any way God did not want or intend for him to act.

Quote:God does not nor ever did want evil to be, He does allow it to exist to prove to creation that love, truth, obedience and ect. are greater than evil.

God allows evil to exist. Thanks for settling that matter. Why he does it is irrelevant. He does it and it is not necessary, therefore, he must desire it. If he wanted to prove that love and truth conquers evil, he could just eliminate evil. That would be damned convincing.

Quote:So it's not wanted by God, but it will be judged by Him, and a complete end will be put to evil.

Someday, right? For now, it's necessary that people rape and kill each other. The only reason he doesn't put a complete end to it, right now, is because he enjoys it. There is no point to evil. It serves no purpose (indeed, it goes against God's purpose).

Do you ever wonder why some of us think Christians are crazy or brain-dead? How do you even believe the shit you say? How does that register as logical?

Quote:When God created the universe there was no evil, evil was never created. Evil came into existence with Lucifer's disobedience to God. Love and truth were never created, they are part of who God is, they have always existed. Anything that's against who God is, is evil ie. sin, so evil came through Lucifer with his disobedience to God, satan has spread this evil ever since. God does not nor ever did want evil to be, He does allow it to exist to prove to creation that love, truth, obedience and ect. are greater than evil. So it's not wanted by God, but it will be judged by Him, and a complete end will be put to evil.

The bible tells us that God created evil: I've stated this before.

Quote:Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Joel Wrote:The bible tells us that God created evil: I've stated this before.

Quote:Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

And I stated to you before that he didn't create evil, he "creates" bad stuff.

So God lied?

(March 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Tex Wrote: And I stated to you before that he didn't create evil, he "creates" bad stuff.

Semantics.

If the words completely and totally change the meaning, its important. While this isn't like a hot=cold blatantly misleading, the difference is "God created Evil (the opposition to Good came from God)" and God created evil (the stuff we don't like that people deal with during they're lives). My God is responsible for mental illness, for hurricanes, for pain and suffering of all kinds. All my God. And those things are not good. "Creates evil" can be really misleading, especially for today's English because...

@Joel

... the kings English was really romanticized and decorated to make the brand new English translation look better than the Latin. The people of the 16th century didn't speak middle English, but they imitated it anyway when translating. They were not concerned with philosophical implications nor holding to the meaning of the text. They got the gist of it, wrote it down, and bedazzled the thing. So, what I'm trying to say here is...

DON'T EVER EVER EVER USE KJV!!!

It's garbage. Total garbage. If you want something decent and is easy to read, NIV 1984 is great (the 2011 has a lot of gender neutral stuff that isn't as accurate, but is also good). I use ESV, but the text is choppier.