I'm moaning about GOD NOT EXISTING, i'm showing you the effects of my believing he did on my life which are absolute fallacies that I never should've put up with, and explaining to you why you shouldn't shove religion down kids throats from their birth. Now before you go, "Aha, thAts what this chick's deal is! She's mad at authority!"(cuz we all know you're trying to find something that will make what I say irrelevant for your own comfortability), just know that I subjected myself to all of that crap after the age of 4 when my parents gave up on their god pursuit and I was that girl who got rides to church with people other than my parents, just to go. My illness and how I handled dealing with it, brought them back to Jesus. I'm showing you why I'm angry for all the decisions I made because I believed in god. I'm showing you that god can hinder you from dealing with real life decisions tha lead you on your own path in life. Mainly I'm moaning about how that path with god changes the very way in which you see life, and I'm telling you that it isnt the better road to follow.

(April 8, 2013 at 4:56 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(April 8, 2013 at 4:13 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It sounds like you thought you should somehow have a right to good things no matter what. We all know that's not how it works. That's the point of the Job story

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So what are you trying to advocate here fr0d0? We are to roll over and accept second best? A second-hand religion and a second hand life with no incentive to better ourselves?

WHAT!?!

No, you can choose best. C seems to have chosen self torture. This is the opposite of Christianity, but apparently not in some remote back waters.

The point of Christianity is to have a better life here and now. Not for fear of something remote.

Yes you can better yourself. You would be doing a disservice to god if you could but didn't. Because god wants the best for you. Hence the parable of the coins... Using your gifts rather than sitting back and doing nothing.
To deny practical help in the form of medicine or medical assistance on the grounds of superstition of any form is anti god too. Those things are god given.

Really, I don't wish to discuss this twattery. It's beyond

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(April 8, 2013 at 6:57 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm moaning about GOD NOT EXISTING

You and I can't know that. So that's nonsense.

(April 8, 2013 at 6:57 am)missluckie26 Wrote: , i'm showing you the effects of my he did on my life which are absolute fallacies that I never should've put up with, and explaining to you why you shouldn't shove religion down kids throats from their birth

The effects of your dangerous beliefs you mean. I would go and protest against people like you were. They are an abomination to mankind. You should get real and attribute blame accurately to this evil you knew, and not come across as talking nonsense, trying to associate sane people with that horror.

I reserve the right to teach my children what I think is clearly best in their interests, thanks very much. And I refuse to dictate to you what you should teach yours.

I think the point is that "self torture" as you put it fr0d0, is a direct result of religion which I am to understand is her point.

Godschild Wrote:You did not share all this with me, I do feel for you and can not imagine what you've endured. I'm not judging you here, please know this. I'm making an observation, ok? 1 and 2 are things many people have done without finding God, I've seen it before, being a Christian is far more. 3 and 4 are about your Mom and Dad not yourself. Doing things for others does not necessarily make one a Christian, my brother does for others and he is not a Christian, so I've experienced this within my own family. It's a good thing that your parents are so caring, but like I said it's not you.
5 This is you and the one thing you keep saying is I, I did this, I did that. I commend you on what you did do, but by your own words God is not mentioned. My wife has worked with the dying and mentally and physically challenged for years, she includes God in this work, she says this is what God wants me to do, she allows Him to work through her. You also say that you rejected God then became ill and returned to God, again I see this as using God for yourself. Then when you nearly died and prayed for several years and did not hear from God you gave up on Him. You have been wishy washy with God and you expect Him to jump when you say, it doesn't work that way. You never said, not once, that you had turned you life over to Christ as your savior, you never said you let Christ work in and through your life, you did not say you walked in a relationship with Him. These are important things one must do if you expect to hear from God, yet He has poured out His grace on you, you are still alive. You seem to rely on and listen to everyone except God, doing for others is great, allowing God to work through you for others is the greatest. In this He is glorified and you are blessed in many different ways, will he completely restore your health, I do not know, He hasn't for me but that's ok, He has a reason and I accept this. What I do know, I have a viable relationship with God and it brings peace and blessings to me all the time. Please do not get angry as I said it's not a judgement, I'm just pointing out thing you said and the things I have experienced in my Christian walk. One thing I should have said in an earlier post was, allowing God to work through you for others is what Christianity is about, being a Christian means for the most part giving up the I in ones life.

Hey Godschild? Fuck you.

Despite your exhortations, I have indeed gotten angry at this torrent of bullshit you saw fit to relabel as wisdom. Luckie's my fiance, perhaps you didn't know that, and as an individual who actually values her continued existence, I don't appreciate you trivialising her suffering to defend your ineffective religion.

Seriously, why did you think this would be okay? You sit there and smugly wave away the suffering of another human being, before condescendingly telling her that the she just wasn't christianing hard enough. Well, you know, fuck you, that's a complete and utter crock. My girl refused life saving medical treatment for six months, giving herself over completely to god's mercy, what the fuck else do you want? How much more christian can you get than being willing to risk your own safety, gambling it on the supposed benevolence of your pet deity. What's your problem, that she used the personal pronoun in a story about herself? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Do you not understand that Luckie's an atheist? And that she was when she typed the story up there? She doesn't believe in your god anymore. If she observed that she'd had a relationship with christ, or had given everything to god, she would be LYING, because from her perspective such a god does not exist. Are you seriously chiding an atheist for not formatting a story about when they were a christian in christian terms? Actually, it's worse: you're chiding her for not telling her story- about something she doesn't believe anymore- in the words that YOU want her to. Your argument there is top to bottom malformed and idiotic, not to mention completely nasty and insensitive.

Maybe think things through next time, huh? I understand you're desperate to rush to the defense of your book of made up fairytales, but a little thought would help. Oh, and again, fuck you. Not just for being a colossal douche while trying to disguise it as non-judgement, but for upsetting my fiancee to the extent that she came to me with your post outside of the forum. You done fucked up, son.

(April 8, 2013 at 7:17 am)fr0d0 Wrote: WHAT!?!

No, you can choose best. C seems to have chosen self torture. This is the opposite of Christianity, but apparently not in some remote back waters.

Would you care to expand on this point? In what way did my fiancee opt for self torture?

Quote:The point of Christianity is to have a better life here and now. Not for fear of something remote.

Ah, which is why christian doctrine takes such pains to menace us all with the concept of hell, of course. And to place heaven up on this insurmountable pedestal. Yes. /sarcasm.

Quote:Yes you can better yourself. You would be doing a disservice to god if you could but didn't. Because god wants the best for you. Hence the parable of the coins... Using your gifts rather than sitting back and doing nothing.
To deny practical help in the form of medicine or medical assistance on the grounds of superstition of any form is anti god too. Those things are god given.

I do agree with you here. Luckie's my girl and I love her with all my heart, but she was fucking dumb when she made the choice to refuse treatment, and if I'd known her back then I would have said so to her face.

(April 8, 2013 at 6:57 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm moaning about GOD NOT EXISTING, i'm showing you the effects of my believing he did on my life which are absolute fallacies that I never should've put up with, and explaining to you why you shouldn't shove religion down kids throats from their birth. Now before you go, "Aha, thAts what this chick's deal is! She's mad at authority!"(cuz we all know you're trying to find something that will make what I say irrelevant for your own comfortability), just know that I subjected myself to all of that crap after the age of 4 when my parents gave up on their god pursuit and I was that girl who got rides to church with people other than my parents, just to go. My illness and how I handled dealing with it, brought them back to Jesus. I'm showing you why I'm angry for all the decisions I made because I believed in god. I'm showing you that god can hinder you from dealing with real life decisions tha lead you on your own path in life. Mainly I'm moaning about how that path with god changes the very way in which you see life, and I'm telling you that it isnt the better road to follow.

I understand hunny. Been there done that. It is very hard to find your own "self worth" when everything around you is telling you ..."You are worthless, a sinner."

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So G-C, fr0d0 ...et al.... Your responses are the BEST your xtianity can come up with?






May you all live in VERY INTERESTING times

(April 8, 2013 at 5:42 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So what is it you're moaning about miss c? He didn't miraculously heal you, and you didn't expect it.

hey frodo, I'd appreciate it if you extended me the same respect I do to you by not referring to me in this condescending pet name you've given me from the last time I actually tried talkin to you. Miss cluckie aka Miss c is uncalled for. I dont call u anything but what your true name is, and I dont belittle you like you have me.

Miss C. I have pet names for everyone. It's what I do. This particular evolution is simply because I'm on my mobile, and I'm trying to fight my spell checker. People do use this method to rile people, and I'm no exception. You very politely didn't say anything, so I thought you liked it. You should really just wear it, but because I like you, I'll make an effort k.

(April 8, 2013 at 8:11 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I think the point is that "self torture" as you put it fr0d0, is a direct result of religion which I am to understand is her point.

Yes Kitch. Her bastard religion apparently required that. Are some point someone in the chain decided to adopt that. They weren't forced.

As a 4 year old she had no choice. Growing up I guess the same. So I was wrong there. I just find the whole situation so unbelievable.

When Miss C says things like "it's what all you religious guys are about" that riles me. This is the furthest from my faith and ideals as it's possible to get... and here someone is pinning that badge on me.

Generalisations are always bad. Speak to the person, not the group. I hate religion too. I hate fundies of all types. I hate what people do in the name of good, and I hate when people dismiss a whole bunch of other people based on those.

(April 8, 2013 at 8:16 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 8, 2013 at 7:17 am)fr0d0 Wrote: WHAT!?!

No, you can choose best. C seems to have chosen self torture. This is the opposite of Christianity, but apparently not in some remote back waters.

Would you care to expand on this point? In what way did my fiancee opt for self torture?

Hey bud hows it going.

C kept saying above how she chose to prevent herself from feeling good because she obviously didn't deserve it. "Others were more deserving in God's eyes" - WHAT?! How did she know that? Because her life was so bad, God was "obviously punishing her". She (the morons telling her what to think) perverted something good into something vile.

"that is why I turned my head the other way when I was wronged. that is why I forgave those who never apologized, that is why I didnt question my impoverishment. that is why I gave every cent I had to others: because I felt they were more deserving in gods eye"

There's nothing wrong with selfless charity. And there's nothing wrong with impoverishment. what is wrong is the pointless self degradation. Yes she had been brainwashed apparently her whole life so this is what she came to think of the world. I'm really glad that she's out of that, and can even dealt with it as much to maintain contact. Good for her.

@ missluckie26: I am so glad you got out of that nonsense and found real life. Way to go you! I hope you don't mind me being very happy for you.

(April 8, 2013 at 8:16 am)Esquilax Wrote:

Quote:The point of Christianity is to have a better life here and now. Not for fear of something remote.

Ah, which is why christian doctrine takes such pains to menace us all with the concept of hell, of course. And to place heaven up on this insurmountable pedestal. Yes. /sarcasm.

Well you're getting a bit Victorian on me there. Hell Fire was the fashion.

(April 8, 2013 at 8:16 am)Esquilax Wrote:

Quote:Yes you can better yourself. You would be doing a disservice to god if you could but didn't. Because god wants the best for you. Hence the parable of the coins... Using your gifts rather than sitting back and doing nothing.
To deny practical help in the form of medicine or medical assistance on the grounds of superstition of any form is anti god too. Those things are god given.

I do agree with you here. Luckie's my girl and I love her with all my heart, but she was fucking dumb when she made the choice to refuse treatment, and if I'd known her back then I would have said so to her face.

Now you're doing it!

Here's the last time we talked about this, and you just magically disappeared from the conversation. HuH.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-16993-page-7.html

Typical. Fail to identify how someone could possibly contradict your beliefs and you turn to discrediting the source again, for your own comfort. Then when you can't you disengage and retain your original assertion.

You just disengaged the last time you tried, care to start that conversation back up? I don't mind. This thread's been muddied already.

I do mind the cluckie thing and will choose not to entertain your questions if it continues. It's childish, and pathetic. Both ridiculous as a grown ass adult for you to call names like that when no names have been given to you and you actually want to have an adult conversation with someone, and it's juvenile to do that on a regular basis as a matter of habit.

HuH!

Ooh I missed some stuffs. Must go check it.

I think you didn't read my edits above, which kind of make your post look redundant now. And there was me thinking us guys (you, me and Esq) got along just fine!

Childish, pathetic, ridiculous, juvenile... hey I'm a man - I own that stuff. Plus, my atheist buddies around here that wear much bigger war medals than I do... those just got a lot heavier after that bitch slap! I thank you on behalf of mankind