(April 8, 2013 at 4:06 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: My parents went to christian counselors who told them that they were plagued by a family curse and encouraged my parents to exorcise it from their lives through prayer and that that was the reason for the marital discourse. thing is, this isnt limited to my parents experience, these are the beliefs of many devout christians. Just because you arent one of them doesnt make them or you less christian does it?

I didn't single out anything that your parents had done that was anti Christ. I was addressing the last sentence above.

"Family curse" is what I assume you think of as a root to your own self abuse. I would question the advisor and his authority in scripture and to his peers for that advice, and what lead your parents to turn that into the abuse of their beautiful daughter.

My parents didn't abuse me?
Family curse? No. Shit happens? Yes.

If anything my dads' mental illness was psychologically traumatizing, but none of that had to do with this "curse" that was spoken of.
The counselors said: Dad's side having suicide demonic curse, Mom's side having sexual abuse curse.

My abuse I don't wish to discuss with you.

Quote:You mention yourself.. but what you've said about yourself is sick. I can't condone that at all. You might have to explain that more.

Please explain what you are referring to?

Jesus is not God, Jesus is the son of the living God.

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(March 5, 2011 at 3:43 pm)corndog36 Wrote:

(March 5, 2011 at 6:40 am)Rayaan Wrote: The speaker (Joshua Evans) is a convert to Islam, but we can ignore that for the sake of argument and I think even atheists will agree with him on this particular topic a least. So, all the Christians in the forum (fr0d0, tackattack, Ryft, etc.), tell me what you think. If you do find something wrong then please point it out.

I don't think that atheists will agree with him, because his conclusion seems to be that Jesus was not God, he was a demi-god. Also his reasons are based on a book that atheists generally agree is utter rubbish. As for the christian perspective, I was raised baptist, and I was not taught that Jesus was God, in the sense that he is talking about. The Trinity was always a bit confusing, that's the only point from this show I agreed with, but he wasn't refuting the Christian view of the Trinity and Jesus divinity, he was refuting his own misinterpretation of the christian view. In the end, using rubbish to disprove other rubbish.

The trinity is not confusing at all, you have the Father you have the Son and there is somebody else here that Father has to have as a host in order to exist.

(April 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: My parents didn't abuse me?
Family curse? No. Shit happens? Yes.

If anything my dads' mental illness was psychologically traumatizing, but none of that had to do with this "curse" that was spoken of.
The counselors said: Dad's side having suicide demonic curse, Mom's side having sexual abuse curse.

My abuse I don't wish to discuss with you.

You don't need to discuss it, you've already told us many times. Your parents made you think that you had to punish yourself from the age of 4, and you carried that on until you broke from it as an adult. That's abuse enough.

So you're saying it wasn't a family curse now??

(April 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm)missluckie26 Wrote:

Quote:You mention yourself.. but what you've said about yourself is sick. I can't condone that at all. You might have to explain that more.

Please explain what you are referring to?

See above

Top reason why Jesus isn't god:

He's too laid back, level headed, and forgivng. No wonder the Jews rejected him. The god they came to know was uptight, irrational, and merciless.

Either Jehovah went through some serious reconstructive psychotherapy, or Jesus was a new god altogether.

(April 11, 2013 at 12:01 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(April 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: My parents didn't abuse me?
Family curse? No. Shit happens? Yes.

If anything my dads' mental illness was psychologically traumatizing, but none of that had to do with this "curse" that was spoken of.
The counselors said: Dad's side having suicide demonic curse, Mom's side having sexual abuse curse.

My abuse I don't wish to discuss with you.

You don't need to discuss it, you've already told us many times. Your parents made you think that you had to punish yourself from the age of 4, and you carried that on until you broke from it as an adult. That's abuse enough.

So you're saying it wasn't a family curse now??

(April 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Please explain what you are referring to?

See above

You're confused, and I'm confused trying to figure out your confusion. So again, please explain what you are referring to? Where do you get the age of 4? Where do you get that I believe in curses? Where do you get that my parents made me punish myself and what was this punishment endured?
Thanks.

I'm only quoting what you've written on these forums miss c. Family curse you said above. The age of 4 was something you said in a long post somewhere recently. We established the other day that you were blameless because you didn't choose to believe that stuff yourself because you were told it by your parents. You've gone on about your misery and suffering loads... that was the punishment.

You seem to think I'm psychic and talk about stuff you haven't said.

All I'm addressing here is the incorrectness if your interpretation of Christianity passed down to you by your parents. You asked.

In relation to my OP, I've also made a thread on why Jesus isn't God according to the Bible itself.

Have a read through it, fr0d0.

I may pass on that Rayaan. But I appreciate the invite

Do you think that there's anything new to answer there?

OK read it. Yeah you present the anti Xtian Islamic view of non devinity. Sometimes it'd be good just to filter out the atheist responses and get to the meat!

It's a question of semantics for you, on the definition of being and persons of god. That's foreign to you so I think I can fully appreciate your difficulty.

Basically (I hate that word), you're not going to understand my view point by referencing Islamic disproofs. Just as refutingIslam, and evilbible aren't going to give you a balanced view of your subject.

Thanks for the link

(I'll eat you later )

(April 11, 2013 at 12:49 am)smax Wrote: Top reason why Jesus isn't god:

He's too laid back, level headed, and forgivng. No wonder the Jews rejected him. The god they came to know was uptight, irrational, and merciless.

Either Jehovah went through some serious reconstructive psychotherapy, or Jesus was a new god altogether.

Since Jesus is a composite character of fiction - the jews did not reject a person - they rejected a STORY.

However - if the christ had been real - the jews would have had LOTS of real reasons to reject his claims - which are heresy to the jewish religion

1- In the story - The christ claimed to be the son of god - the messiah was to be a Human fathered son of the line of David - ONLY the father's line was considered in those days - so the christ could not be the messiah
2 - The christ could not be the messiah - the messiah was to reconstruct the temple of jerusalem the third time - but in the time of the christ it had not yet been destroyed the second time.
3 - THe claim of a new covenant was heresy to the jews. THe jewish religion says that ALL gods word is good - and will not change. So a god does not change its mind - and change the covenant. IT can ADD to the covenant - but once it has promised something - the promise is set in stone and will always be true.
4 - Claiming to be the SON of god itself was heresy - and the idea of the trinity is also heresy to the jews.

Among the greatest problems with the stories is the claim that the christ taught in temples. The sanhedrin would NEVER have allowed that - he was a heretic. Especially in Jerusalem - where the temple was equivalent to the xtian Vatican - and would never have allowed a heretic in.